The Cellar » Struggling to feel compassion

monster · 7/10/2023 6:22 pm

I'm certainly not surprised. Nassar stabbed

Flint · 7/10/2023 9:16 pm

got eem.. I like how it said prison "fight"

monster · 7/10/2023 9:24 pm

yeah I have a feeling not so much

xoxoxoBruce · 7/10/2023 10:19 pm

Flint wrote:
got eem.. I like how it said prison "fight"

I'm surprised they didn't use altercation or quarrel.

monster · 7/10/2023 10:31 pm

xoxoxoBruce wrote:
Flint wrote:
got eem.. I like how it said prison "fight"
I'm surprised they didn't use altercation or quarrel.

multiple times might not be by the same perp. I really really try not to wish/embrace evil things for evil people..... but I'm human (allegedly) And atheist so....I mean I don't/didn't wish this for him, but... the angel of outrage is not sitting on my shouldler right now e lived. maybe he got a tenny-tiny glimpse of how violation feels.... but I doubt it

xoxoxoBruce · 7/10/2023 11:24 pm

Multiple? Was good enough for Julius Caesar.

toranokaze · 7/11/2023 11:29 am

Good, this is an act of justice

TheNeverWas · 7/12/2023 5:54 pm

Couldn't have happened to nicer guy.

monster · 7/12/2023 7:44 pm

I wonder if the stabby things were clean.....

toranokaze · 7/17/2023 3:21 pm

hopefuly not

griff · 7/18/2023 5:52 am

Some crimes are begging for a shit covered shiv.

fargon · 7/18/2023 6:51 am

I believe that people that sexually abuse people and animals should die slowly and painfully.

glatt · 7/18/2023 7:07 am

On the other hand, I think prisons have a responsibility to keep their inmates safe from violence.

toranokaze · 7/18/2023 5:32 pm

Perhaps in theory they do, but they do not do that in reality

griff · 7/18/2023 5:33 pm

That is how it should be, but as monster said is a struggle to feel compassion for a serial abuser.

toranokaze · 7/18/2023 11:23 pm

But why should you have compassion for unrelenting evil. Evil should be punished.

monster · 7/18/2023 11:47 pm

But this punishment doesn't undo the crime or make the victims better ...and in cases such as this, is any punishment going to help someone learn and become an acceptable member o society? If not, then what's the point? But then the alternative would be the DP. And that's a whole different kettle of fishiness

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Flint · 7/19/2023 11:54 am

This person is never going to be any kind of member of society, because they're never getting out. So it's not a balance between punishment and rehabilitation, is it? Do we have a goal of rehabilitating people who are serving life sentences, as an act of humanity towards that individual, or is rehabilitation intended only to benefit the rest of us?

Clodfobble · 7/19/2023 12:42 pm

Or, as a third option, is rehabilitation simply helpful to the people who actually have to run the prisons? Can a rehabilitated life-sentence inmate still serve as a good example to others, or at least not try to shiv everyone all the time?

toranokaze · 7/19/2023 12:59 pm

You can only rehabilitate people that are capable of it. Serial sex offenders have are never successfully rehabilitate, same with serial killers. The death penalty for such crimes might be warranted.

monster · 7/19/2023 8:07 pm

I also struggle to condone the DP. I just ...can't be ok with it

Happy Monkey · 7/19/2023 8:42 pm

You don't have to feel compassion for an individual prisoner to decry the state of the prison. They are not the only person there.

monster · 7/19/2023 11:11 pm

fair point

griff · 7/20/2023 6:38 am

Clodfobble wrote:
Or, as a third option, is rehabilitation simply helpful to the people who actually have to run the prisons? Can a rehabilitated life-sentence inmate still serve as a good example to others, or at least not try to shiv everyone all the time?

This is also helpful in maintaining the humanity of the prison guards whose mental states / attitudes leak into the surrounding community.

Flint · 7/20/2023 12:26 pm

Nice discussion.

I think "being okay" with "extra awfulness" in the prison system is a bad impulse that we're not sufficiently motivated to question.

Like Jack Handey said in Deep Thoughts,
"Whenever I see an old lady slip
and fall on a wet sidewalk,
my first instinct is to laugh.
But then I think,
what if I was an ant,
and she fell on me.
Then it wouldn’t seem quite so funny."

The "old lady" is some criminal we don't care about, and actively wish "extra" harm to befall. The ant is some guy serving a life sentence for selling an ounce of weed, a decade too early for that to be considered entrepreneurship. Or anyone doing anything the state deems a "criminal act" which last I checked could be "anything someone else doesn't like"

Human Rights for prisoners are Human Rights for all of us, all it takes is one bad roll of the dice for us to go down screaming, "Wait! This wasn't supposed to happen to ME!"