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12/10/2023 3:05 am  #1


Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

From Ben Franklin flying his kite to the First commercial power station at Niagara sending power over wires for long distance. (26 miles, be still my beating heart. LoL)
Speaking of that my pacemaker has been recalled, but I digress.
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From Niagara Power to nuclear batteries.
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Progress?
 


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12/11/2023 8:30 pm  #2


Re: Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

...my pacemaker has been recalled...

Shit, that's anxiety-inducing.  Is that better, or worse, than it getting repossessed?
 


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12/17/2023 12:13 am  #3


Re: Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

They said nobody has died... yet.


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6/15/2024 2:33 am  #4


Re: Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

I've been bombarded with offers to sell me electricity from various sources.
Many are renewable solar, wind, water, etc.
I just got a letter from my electric company (PeCo) who deliver the juice no matter where I buy it from.
They went extensively into how to go about buying from someone else.
I suspect so it's a clean switch causing less confusion and headaches for them.
They explained no matter where I buy it the bill still comes from PeCo.
Evidently it's causing confusion with people saying they signed up with somebody else so they wouldn't pay it.
In the several pages of verbiage I noticed one tidbit. The price of electricity and the cost to deliver it are strictly controlled by the PA PUC.
The price for renewable electricity IS NOT.
If PeCo wants to raise the price it takes about 2 years to get approval and usually not what they ask for so they always ask for more than they need.
But the with renewables it's a surprise every month. Fine if you're prepared for the ride.


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6/15/2024 7:07 pm  #5


Re: Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

Cuirrently the price of electricity across the grid has varied from $14 to $21 per megawatt hour.  Those are the prices that all electric companies pay on the grid.  That price is determied by what it costs to generate electricity and how much it costs to transport it to the local area.  These prices change about every 15 minutes.

I had recently seen where the price in Delaware rose to over $400 per megawatt hour.  If using Delmarva Power, they eat the higher price.  Consumer still pays a same amount.

These other companies simply charge massively higher prices when large demands on the grid cause a massive increase in the LMP.  They just forget to mention that when promoting the usual salesman pitch - tell a half truth.

How much renewable is on the grid?  We all consume a same percentages no matter who is sending us the bill.  Currently the grid provides 1% by wind, 4.5% by solar, 4.5% by hydroelectric, and 1% by other renewables.  18% is coal.  42%  natural gas., and 28% nuclear.

Actually quite productive in a nation that should have been addressing global warming 50 years ago.  Other parts of the country is not so progressive - being driven by "we deny any innovation is necessary" thoughts.
 

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6/15/2024 10:01 pm  #6


Re: Electricity, you've come a long way baby.

The last bill I got was....  
Distribution charge = $0.08386 per kWh
Generation charge = $0.08568 per kWh
Transmission charge = $0.00857 per kWh
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                                        17.8 ¢ per kWh


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