Anon wrote:

The fantasies of a demented old man.  

You said security guarantees never exist. Bullcrap.  A Nato membership is simply one of many possible security guarantees. Scholz is a thinking adult.  So he can learn new facts and change his mind.

 An all out rearming of Ukraine - without restrictions.  Another example of a security guarantee.

A peace treaty without security guarantees means a larger, future war.  When one learns from history.

Just because Scholz does not agree with only one option somehow proves that NO security guarantees can exist? Bullcrap again. 

Zelensky obviously needs security guarantees.  He is forced to surrender to Russia by Trump to promote Trump.  Without a security guarantee.   Anyone intelligent (a moderate) can see that mistake.

Zelensky must be at the peace table.  Extremists also threw the South Vietnam government and the Afghan government under the bus.   Same negotiations are throwing Zelensky under the bus.  Cutting out the victim so that he can be slaughtered.  Nixon did it.  Then Trump - whose long history is to screw even his former supporters - did it to Afghanistan.

An extremist but again ignores reality.  Reality contradicts his extremist politics.  He could reply with honest reasoning.  Instead he invents a lie.  Saying no security guarantee ever exist.  Then posts insults.  Since he cannot defend his lie.

Defined is how extremist rhetoric works.  Posting cheapshots when disinformation is exposed.

The fantasies of a demented old man.

Only a demented person resorts to cheapshots when they have been exposed lying.   When he cannot contribute one honest fact.  Trump does same.  It is the nature of one with a despot mentality.

Anon now can apologize.  And return to discussing in an adult manner.  Without cheapshots.  He won't if he is a typical and hateful extremist.  We will now see who he really is.

Diaphone Jim wrote:

Putin smiles.

Just like Netanyahu smiled when you voted-in Biden to help commit genocide in Gaza.

Smiles everybody, SMILES!
 

Are you trying to rationalize genocide?

ETA: Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.

Last edited by Anon (3/03/2025 7:06 pm)

Do I understand you to say that genocide by a traditional perma-ally should be considered differently than that by a traditional perma-enemy?

Anon wrote:

You lack standing to discuss security matters. First you must list 5 accomplishments you have achieved this year in support of national security..

Wow.  Elon Musk demanding a "5 accomplishment" list.   A standard once implemented to prove one was also a good Nazi.

Anon attacks rather than contributes facts.  Always indicates an extremist.  A similar example was in the old Cellar.  When this same type reasoning somehow proved Saddam had WMDs.

Basic concepts even defined in Art of War.  Security guarantees MUST exist.  Since he recites only what extremist preach, then he says guarantees cannot exist.

Vance insulted Zelensky with this same lie.  Insisting that Zelensky could have made a deal early on.  When Russia was invading Kiev from the north.  That mythical "deal" would be called surrender - without any security guarantees.  No responsible leader would do that.

Demeaning others is what Anon calls a discussion.  Now with an ultimatum.

You must post them here by Wednesday, at 11:59 p.m. EST. Failure to do so will be treated as indicative of ineptitude .

That is not the attitude of a educated and civil person.  That is the extremist.  Unable to post anything constructive.  Then making despot style demands.

 

The current list of Presidential succession is more than scary.

Anon again posts irrelevance.  What we all voted for is  ... obviously ... is irrelevant to disinformation posted by Anon.  Well, at least this time he did not use

https://cellar.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=33368#p33368 wrote:

demeaning attacks

and

https://cellar.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=33378#p33378 wrote:

ultimatums

to prove his beliefs.  He learned (hopefully but again) that only adults, acting like children, do that.

Apparently he periodically forgets how to conduct an adult conversation.

Maybe he will eventually contribute something constructive and factual.  That means honesty - not righteous indignation.

It is difficult to teach extremists this.  But again.  We voted for this president.  We must now live with what we created.  Posted but again.  Eventually (hopefully) he will learn that.

Peace can never happen without security guarantees.  No way around over thousands of years of knowledge from history.  Zelensky only said what every honest and informed (moderate) person knows.
 

Obviously, any peace settlement, without security guarantees, is a surrender.

But again, why must well known examples be cited: South Vietnam.  Afghanistan.   Obvious examples ignored since extremist myths might be exposed.

No security guarantees means those, also banned from the peace table, are thrown under the bus.  Ukraine must surrender because they were also not represented.  Why is that an amenable solution?  Extremist rhetoric is alive and well.  Complete with derogatory comments at anyone who exposes this adoration of Putin.  And ignorance of well proven military doctrine.

Obviously, any peace settlement without security guarantees is only a surrender.  Stealing Ukrainian territory is somehow sanctioned by extremist embellishment.

There are no guarantees in life.

  Which explains the military conquest of Kuwait, Japan, South Korea, West Germany, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.

No guarantees must exist when one is ordered what to believe by a despot.  Tell that to NATO nations.  Including Finland, Sweden, and all Baltic nations.  All decided they too need security guarantees.

Those poor fools.  Anon says it cannot exist.

Why are well proven concept, long proven in history, ignored?  Only extremist ignore facts to even attack Iraq for no purpose.  Extremist embellishment proved it was necessary.

Last edited by tw (3/04/2025 8:36 pm)

Excellent speech and I'll just assume it was on target as the Mango Mussolini is unwatchable. The Dems should have rolled this lady out for 2024.

Kristi Noem's TV ad on deportation literally sends chills of Nazi propaganda.
Just call it "Heimat Security."
 DHS Announces Ad Campaign Warning Illegal Aliens to Self-Deport and Stay Out | Homeland Security

Diaphone Jim wrote:

Kristi Noem's TV ad on deportation literally sends chills of Nazi propaganda.
Just call it "Heimat Security."
 DHS Announces Ad Campaign Warning Illegal Aliens to Self-Deport and Stay Out | Homeland Security

At least this is a situation that individuals can do something about. Trump likes to make deals: it's his raison d'être. You can make him an offer to self-deport (perhaps to Canada) in exchange for letting an illegal alien stay here. Sweeten the deal by making it an illegal alien of his choice.

Self-deportation was in vogue during your heyday, the Vietnam era, especially among young adult males. If you missed the opportunity to participate then, you have another chance now. You Have Second Chance In Life. IT'S A MIRACLE! I bet Trump will be nominated for Sainthood.

Get your second chance here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

PS: Stay away from Ontario. They're pulling American wines off the shelves in protest of the tariffs. You'd be stuck with Canadian and European (pronounced - You're-a-peein') wines which aren't fruit forward like your beloved California wines.
 

It's okay, don't worry about it, "his green card was revoked" so I'm sure that's cool and good.

Flint wrote:

It's okay, don't worry about it, "his green card was revoked" so I'm sure that's cool and good.

Yeah Fetterman says it's cool cool to hand over the legislative power to the Executive. He seems legit, runs as a progressive, plays at moderate, and kisses the ring. These fucking monarchists...