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2/14/2022 10:46 pm  #1


Remote working

Not temporary pandemic work from home, but permanent remote working. 

I just got a new job that is 100% remote - my first experience with this.  I'm not sure how it's going to go, but I want this to work.  My biggest worry is that I live alone and I don't go out (see: pandemic), so there's a real concern with being a hermit.  I'm trying to find tips on remote working, but they haven't been helpful so far.  All of them assume others in the home. 

I'm probably going to rearrange my office so that I can put the desk in the corner by the windows.  I'm thinking of putting up a divider to make it more of a "work area".  I'm wondering if I can do it kind of like still having an office job: make breakfast and lunches for the week, dress in non-workout clothes (but not jeans or anything uncomfortable), etc.  But, I also want to make sure I get up and move around more than I have been.

I'm hoping to get into more of a routine so I can get back in the habit of working out.  Because the work form home situation at the old job was temporary, it was hard to get a routine going.  Every few months it was "We're going back into the office.  Wait, never mind.  We're delaying" and repeat.

My other concern is that I don't have an office chair.  It was from my old job, so I took it back last week after I gave my notice.  I'm assuming there's some kind of budget for home supplies, but I haven't heard anything yet.  My (soon to be) manager emailed asking about laptop and monitor preferences, so maybe it's still coming.  I'm not working at all this week, so there's time, but I obsess sometimes

Anyone have any experience being a permanent remote worker?  Any tips?

 

2/15/2022 9:03 am  #2


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I've worked from home for years. Yes, I have Mr Limey around from time to time but I can certainly act as a sounding board for your ideas.
Time: My hours can be irregular (because I have translation clients from all over, and deadlines set for all sorts of times of day). It is great that my clients set the deadlines because I am lazy and lack self-discipline if I'm left to my own devices. But basically I try to be at my desk on and off through the working day, and away from it on days off.
Place: I find it very useful to have an "office" so that when I am sat there (like I am now, LOL) I know I'm supposed to be working or thinking about work. I think it is good if your office isn't visible (even in the corner of your eye) when you are taking time off.
Equipment: It is EXTREMELY important to have a set up that works for you ergonomically. For me this is a stool that is on rockers (good for my back, makes me sit up), a split keyboard (good for my wrists, I do a lot of typing), my monitor raised up quite high (I'm tall) so that I'm looking straight ahead at it, and the right correlation between seat height and keyboard height (YMMV).
Breaks: It's a very good idea to factor these in, based both around chores, but also around proper enjoyable time out (half an hour of crafting, reading etc, and obviously taking the dawgs out).
Socialising: If you think this is an issue then make an effort to include it. Join a walking (or other) club near you, go to events at your local library or community centre regularly, volunteer for something on a regular basis that takes you out to meet people.
That's my initial thoughts but ask away.
 


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2/15/2022 10:44 am  #3


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Equipment is EXTREMELY important.  I had a mediocre task chair from Office Depot or some shit, and my knee ended up getting tweaked after using that chair for several months.

You may have a used office furniture store near you where you can buy a real chair in person and save on shipping, but if you don't I had good luck buying a chair from Hollywood Chairs.  Used.  But clean and functional.  It was several hundred dollars, but that's cheaper than the visits to the doctor because you got a repetitive motion injury from a shitty chair.

I also bought two big computer monitors, because you know what?  You need to be able to work.  Already had a table to use as a desk.

I find working remotely gets lonely.  But I don't do much video conferencing.  YMMV.

 

2/15/2022 3:41 pm  #4


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I worked 100% remote, for a time. These are my tips:

1) If you are physically able to use a standing desk, and can afford one, I recommend it. They have motorized desks that move up and down, even at Costco. What I had done is install a strong shelf on the wall (into the studs!) and always stood up. If you have a wireless headset, you can pace around. If you need to rest, you can un-dock your laptop, or get a very high (bar stool height) chair to use sparingly. If you get an up/down desk, I recommend sitting on a yoga ball chair. You will want to make yourself as active as possible.

2) After work, go to the grocery store and buy only what you are going to eat for dinner that night. Do this every day! You will want to get out of the house, see people, and walk around. It might not sound like much, but this was one thing that maintained my sanity. Yes, even during the pandemic I recommend this. If it's possible to walk to the store, do that. Bring two canvas grocery totes and fill them up as you walk the aisles, that's as much as you can carry and that's all you get.

3) It only takes a minute to put in a load of laundry or complete one small step of a housecleaning task. I guarantee you can get all your chores done with less productive time wasted than people spend chatting at the water cooler. Again, wireless headset, you're in a meeting listening to someone talk, your headset is muted and you're cleaning your countertops or unloading the dishwasher. Staying active will help keep you focused. Sitting down at a desk and staring at your computer in a designated working area will absolutely not maintain your focus and productivity like fidgeting around the house will-- that is, if you are wired anything like me.

What kind of work will you be doing?
 


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2/15/2022 4:06 pm  #5


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I could do a whole second post about the exercise routine, but I will just say that the polar opposite of sitting at a desk is doing Sumo Deadlifts. I don't know what your fitness level is, but the idea is strengthening the posterior chain (hams, glutes, and back) by pulling in the opposite direction that gravity slumps over a seated body. At a minimum, and what I recommend to a beginner, is doing sets of 'touching your toes' --BUT with a very important technique. When you are at the lowest point, you PULL your body back up (like a hinge) by pulling from the hamstrings and glutes, NOT your back. When you can feel your hams/glutes pulling your torso back up, that's the posterior chain. Toe touches will build this mind/muscle connection. Deadlifts add a knee hinge, but more importantly add upper back strengthening in the opposite direction of sitting.


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2/15/2022 7:36 pm  #6


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Woo!  Lots of tips - thanks!

Some extra info:

 - I'll likely be working normal office hours for the most part, but there are people working all over the world, so it may be irregular at some times.
 - I am getting two monitors from the company along with my laptop.  My plan is to put all three at eye height with various stands.  I already have two sets of monitor stands from when I was a contractor.  I'd need a laptop stand, though
 - My "desk" is my old dining room table that I've taken over as a working space during the pandemic and plan to continue using
 - I do have a separate work space in the office, but I'll need to have a spot to do my own household work: bills and filing and stuff

@limey - Not having a separate work space was a huge problem when I was living in the apartment.  Now that I have an actual room for it, it's so much better!  It doesn't feel like I'm always at work or anything.  I've found one group that meets up pretty regularly just to get together and work.  I think it'll be a good option for days I don't have any meetings.

@glatt - The only chair I have is a cheapo task chair from 20 years ago.  I'm so not trying to use that for 8 hours a day!  Used office furniture is a good idea, thanks!  I might splurge on a brand new chair, but there's some other things I could get used.  I get the feeling this new company is all about turning on the video during meetings, so hopefully I'll be seeing more faces than my last job.

@flint - I want to get a sit/stand desk.  I can't stand for that long, my feet/legs/back start to hurt, but I used it a little at my old office and would like to at least have the option.  I don't think I'll be able to pace or do chores during meetings because I think they use video all the time.  That's a good point about the water cooler, though.  I could do some chores just to get my butt out of the chair.  Going to the store daily is 100% not for me.  I would HATE it.  I don't know if I can do stuff while in meetings because I think video is pretty well used.  I'll be doing Software QA Automation and process improvement stuff. 

Working out is something I've struggled with since I lost my gym.  I have one at my house, but I can't seem to get my ass in gear to actually get into a routine.  I mainly use kettlebells, but I have barbells and weights for deadlifts and bench presses.  I'm hoping to get a squat cage soon to add those, too.  Hardstyle KB swings are good for posterior chain strengthening and I do those with 20kg as my preferred weight.  I just need to get it worked into the routine

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2/15/2022 7:38 pm  #7


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I have literally only worked a few days from home, but I back up the "equipment, equipment, equipment!"  My home set up is already ergonomically pretty damn good because this is where I chill on the computer and I have overly-flexible joints and terrible sitting habits when relaxing, so this is very important to me.  A few days at home totally reinforced how right I had been to request a lowered adjustable keyboard shelf at work -my set up is so much better than theirs was. 

I also like using two screens even when you don't necessarily need them (I'm a recent convert) -my job at the moment is kind of repetitive and screen-heavy, and so I find having my screens angled slightly differently with the two apps/windows I use the most split between them and having different brightnesses/color schemes helps me not tense my neck and shoulders so much (another bad habit of mine) and stops my eyes feeling glazed. 


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2/16/2022 12:40 pm  #8


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If you want the benefits of a standing desk but can't stand for very long, I recommend a treadmill desk. A real treadmill is meant to go fast, but a treadmill desk can make tiny speed adjustments in the "slow walk" range, and I've found that it's not hard at all to place my forearms on the desk and type while strolling. Most of the pain people get from standing too long is from locking their joints and fluid buildup in the legs, and keeping everything gently moving prevents all that. It's a great way to sneak in exercise.

 

2/16/2022 1:32 pm  #9


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@bbro - I forgot meetings are all in video now, I was doing this 6-7 years ago. Well anyway, get up and walk around as often as you can. I'm glad to hear you are working your posterior chain--I feel like an evangelist for this, what I call "the opposite of sitting" workout routine. If you'll be sitting at a regular-height desk, you might try sitting on a yoga ball.

Regarding not having a squat rack, here's what I do for some quad activation-- #1) the Sumo Deadlifts add a knee hinge, #2) I tried doing "front squats" but haven't developed the technique to hold the bar in that position, so ended up doing Goblet Squats (which, as a bonus, you can throw in a push press at the top)
 


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2/17/2022 10:00 am  #10


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@monster - I have to use multiple screens.  It's not an option to only use one anymore.  I don't understand people who only use one!!  I got two from the job and the laptop, so technically 3 monitors

@clod - I'm not sure that's a good idea for me.  I can't read and walk at the same time.  I even have to stop when I'm looking at the grocery store list.

@flint - I'm considering hiring one of my old trainers.  They were awesome and all about keeping that strength and "reversing" the effects of sitting all day.

I got my hardware from the office.  I have looked up a standing desk (that will cost about 1200 with all the different options).  I think I'm going to go look for a chair tomorrow.  I'm just going to see what Staples has.  Regardless if they'll reimburse it, I need one, so I want to get it before I start Monday.  I am also thinking of getting a stand specifically for my laptop instead of the monitor stand I have now.  Again, it's something I could use even if they provide something.

I really wanted to get some more things done this week that I'm off, but the dogs kind of ruined that plan.  I still have 4 more days to be productive, though.  Wish me luck!

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2/17/2022 12:48 pm  #11


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bbro wrote:

I don't understand people who only use one!!!

Well...How many screens do it take to watch cat videos?


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2/17/2022 1:55 pm  #12


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I have two 22" monitors on my main PC and another PC with it's own 22" right next to these. It's not enough monitors, I could really use three on my main PC. I constantly have layers and layers of cascaded windows, with the corners peeking out so I can shuffle through them. I don't know how I ever did anything on one CRT running at 1024x768.

Around 10 years ago I was running an IT department at a small hospital and the standard workstation was an HP thin client with one 4:3, 19" monitor. Right about that time we were starting to upgrade managers and key staff to a dual setup. Seems like an eternity ago.


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2/17/2022 3:57 pm  #13


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This is my life.  I have two 24" monitors and need bigger ones.  I have SO MANY windows open.
 

 

2/17/2022 6:18 pm  #14


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How do you guys do that? All the windows? I have one 27" monitor, and usually around  5 - 7 windows/tabs open. I tried 2 monitors but the way my desk is set up they'd have to be at around 75 degrees to each other and the monitor stand/holder just toppled over (onto me) all the time. I must be old skool.


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2/17/2022 7:30 pm  #15


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My two main monitors are on the dual swing-arms that came with my Vari-desk, my third monitor is on a similar swing-arm. Both mounting solutions clamp to the back edge of the desk with essentially a "vice" and the width of three 22" (diagonal) monitors is roughly the width of the entire desk (a 60x30").
 


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2/18/2022 6:51 am  #16


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Thanks Flint! It wasn't so much the physical set up (just not possible in my tiny office), as the mental one that amazes me!


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2/18/2022 8:20 am  #17


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How do you connect a 3rd monitor?  My PC has a HDMI port that I use for one, and a PCI (I think that's what it's called, or maybe VGA) that I use for the other one.  Is there some sort of splitter to add a 3rd?  And does the PC recognize that 3rd monitor?

 

2/18/2022 1:29 pm  #18


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@glatt-- it's a whole separate computer. Ostensibly the purpose of the second computer is to run "test environment" clients, but it sort of morphed into a 2nd computer I can multi-task additional work on.

My primary computer is a Dell laptop that runs everything (power/displays/peripherals) through a single USB-C cable to a docking station with two HDMI outputs. And I use wireless network, I can pick it up and go mobile by unplugging one cable. Although I did prefer the old physical ka-CHUNK docking stations.
 

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2/18/2022 7:50 pm  #19


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@limey - you get used to it.  I use specific programs on specific monitors.  Like, my email is always on the laptop in the middle.  Coding is usually on the left.  And other programs on the right.

@flint - oh man, that ka-CHUNK was so satisfying - lol.  I don't have monitors that can be attached to arms (I don't think) or I would have ordered some in a heartbeat.  I do need to get a separate laptop stand so it can be the same height as the monitors, so I might get an arm for that instead.  I still can't believe I used to work with only one monitor.  I even had more than one CPU and only one monitor - crazy.  I've been working with multiples for almost 15 years now.  I can never go back to one full time

@theneverwas - just think how many videos you can watch on multiple monitors!! 

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2/18/2022 8:23 pm  #20


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The monitor arms attach with the standard 4-hole pattern of any monitor stand, btw.
But yeah, I've many times put my laptop on a big stack of books or something, lol.
 


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2/19/2022 12:51 am  #21


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bbro wrote:

@monster - I have to use multiple screens.  It's not an option to only use one anymore.  I don't understand people who only use one!!  I got two from the job and the laptop, so technically 3 monitors

Oh yeah, I get it now,,,, like I said, recent convert (I'm an old fogey/haven't much experience) ...but what I was trying to get at was the angling.  I see so many people with multiple screen set-ups all straight in a row like soldiers -and that's how it was set up for me when I started work, but I learned that setting one back a tiny bit and angling it enough to make me move my head slightly, really helped. ymmv, my neck is one of my most fucked up over-flexible areas... :D

tbh three screens sounds even better, because better movement (and I like symmetry).  I'mm'a get on it for my home set up.

TIL despite hating people in general, I'd rather not work remotely.  I need people to piss off/amuse IRL  (second snow day on the run :/  0
 


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2/19/2022 10:18 pm  #22


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glatt wrote:

How do you connect a 3rd monitor?  My PC has a HDMI port that I use for one, and a PCI (I think that's what it's called, or maybe VGA) that I use for the other one.  Is there some sort of splitter to add a 3rd?  And does the PC recognize that 3rd monitor?

I have a 24" HP monitor that uses a usb to the PC.

bbro, it you scatter your weights around the house so they're always in the way, you'll get a good workout every day. LoL
 


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3/10/2022 9:32 pm  #23


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I'm two weeks into remote working and I'm almost set up in the office.  I got a new chair and a chair mat.  I want to get some monitor arms and one for my laptop, but I need to save the money.  I noticed that I take a longer break in the middle of the day and work later than I did at my last job.  I'm also going to attempt to get up early next week and start working out.  

I would type more, but Max has decided I need to be off the computer and laid on my arm

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3/11/2022 8:44 am  #24


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I've decided I need something for my home office that apparently does not exist: a ridiculously wide office chair with closed arms (i.e., not those rounded sticks that most office chairs have) so that my dogs can sit next to me while I type. I have a big armchair (27" across on the seating area) that I used to sit in with my laptop on my lap, but it's always been very squishy and slumpy and my back can't take it anymore. So now I'm upright at a desk, which is better for my back, but the dogs don't get to snuggle with me for hours every day and they're all needy and paw at me endlessly and refuse to get used to the new regimen.

I've looked at countless "big and tall" office chairs, but they're all the modern style with open arms (meaning the dogs would fall out), and they've all got like a 23" max seating space anyway. I've also found tons of super wide chairs, but they're low decorative chairs, the wrong height for a desk. What I want is one of those classic leather executive office chairs (except preferably not made of leather) that is still rolly, and swively, and adjustable height, and super, super wide.

Maybe what I really need to find is the biggest, sturdiest roller base in existence, then attach it to the bottom of the chair of my choosing

 

3/11/2022 9:20 am  #25


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"=15pxMaybe what I really need to find is the biggest, sturdiest roller base in existence, then attach it to the bottom of the chair of my choosing"

=15px​This would have been my idea.  You would need a to part that has a solid seat you can screw into, and a bottom part that has a wide metal flange that uses screw holes.  The fancier the chair, the more proprietary and less universal that connection is.

 

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