When planning a scout crew trip to Philmont, you can enter a lottery for the crew for up to 40 different experiences. Or maybe it was 20. I forget. Anyway, they are ranked in order of how adventurous they are, based on the number of miles hiked. And the ATV adventures are at the bottom of the list and looked down upon by real scouts like the ones in my troop. But they are probably fun. They stay in a separate part of the large property and don't mix with hikers. Not sure how things are set up in Summit. Summit is more of an amusement park vibe anyway.