The Cellar / USA election

**Posted by be-bop** 7/25/2024 7:34 am

Hithe other day I was bored my Good Lady had decided to go clothes shopping and as I am a hindrance rather than a help (her words) decided to go on her own and I was left to my own devices at home. So at a loose end I thought I’d watch some TV and as I have satellite TV I have about 200 odd channels of shit to choose from, so I was bouncing around the channels and came to the religious ones and started looking at them for a laugh. Now if you’re that way inclined and have a faith this is not a poke at you but I started to watch a channel called Loveworld UK which is a US channel as Loveworld USA cloned for UK consumption. It has a guy preaching called Pastor Chris and at the time he was going on about Revelations and bible prophecy and was banging on about the “Woman in Purple” in revelation scripture. Now I had no idea what he was on about so I had a look on my tablet to see what he was on about and they started showing pictures of Kamala Harris dressed in purple clothes and how she was this person quoted in revelations, now this Pastor Chris was very sure that she was this nasty entity and if you look at the actual description in scripture she is not a very nice person. So it leaves me with this questions How can the get away with this shit without getting their arse sued off them. ?Is it because she is a politician she’s fair game for any shit they want to throw at her.? If anyone reads the scripture the woman described is the “Woman in Purple and Scarlet”, they missed out the scarlet part so quoting scripture incorrectly to suit their end game. How big or wide is their fan base and will their congregation vote according to what Paster Chris says I’m assuming he’s not a democrat It was a very strange thing to watch.

**Posted by Happy Monkey** 7/25/2024 8:40 am

Politicians are largely fair game, but more importantly religions are in many ways legally and in additional ways de facto immune to legal ramifications. Legally, a church that starts naming politicians can lose its tax exempt status, but nobody's willing to kick that hornet's nest.

That aside, I don't think that saying that stuff should open one up to stuff like defamation lawsuits, unless some of the "evidence" he gave was malicious lies, since whether someone is actually someone from religious prophecy is purely a matter of opinion, but I do wish that the tax exemptions were stripped more easily and frequently.

**Posted by tw** 7/25/2024 11:35 am

You have assumed people are thinking logically. That all disappeared when blogs and other disinformation sources targeted the minds of adult children.

For example, Sinclair broadcasting long required their TV stations to read editorials from their ring wing corporate officers. They now order all 185 TV stations to report, on the local news, any story written (invented) in the corporate office. Even if intentionally false. One report, read word for word by all Sinclair broadcasting stations, said Biden soiled himself in a political rally. Does not matter if false. That is all quite legal now that people will automatically believe whatever makes them angry or empowered. The target market is adults who are still children. And it works quite well.

A man brags that he can kill someone on Fifth Ave. Is proven in court to have raped women. Has cheated on every wife. Trades them in for a new model about every ten years (notice Melanie is no longer seen). Lies repeatedly. Covets thy neighbor's goods. Has defaulted on loans to every major bank. Insults and demeans people - routinely. Demonstrates racism and misogyny. Is loved by the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis because he promotes hate. Never goes to church. Loves despots such as Putin and Kim. Even believes them over Americans. Has stated contempt for democracy. Brags how he never pays taxes. Routinely defaulted on payments to contractors. And is admired by evangelical Christians? For doing what would otherwise get him excommunicated from any church.

How dumb must one be to become a brainwashed disciple of a religion? They cannot even see he is their anti-Christ? That is the power that brainwashing has over adults who are still children. Who let religion replace all logical thought.

Disinformation is not only legal. It is appreciated by the most religious. Who intetionally ignore Ten Commandments when ordered to by their religion.

Last edited by tw (7/25/2024 11:37 am)

**Posted by glatt** 7/25/2024 3:33 pm

Happy Monkey wrote:
Legally, a church that starts naming politicians can lose its tax exempt status, but nobody's willing to kick that hornet's nest.

This, this, a thousand times this.

As someone who attends church services regularly and is very involved in his church, is really bothers me when other churches blatantly break this rule and get away with it. I wish the IRS would come after them.

**Posted by monster** 7/26/2024 7:08 pm

unfortunately there is no reciprocal for the first amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

**Posted by griff** 7/27/2024 7:09 am

"My beautiful Christians"

Thankfully that whole voting thing will be behind us.

**Posted by fargon** 7/27/2024 12:25 pm

Donald Trump What a fucking idiot.

**Posted by tw** 7/27/2024 1:24 pm

Unfortunately you did not say why. From so many examples, you, could not cite one?

Choice overload describes how, when given more options to choose from, people tend to have a harder time deciding, are less satisfied with their choice, and are more likely to experience regret.

**Posted by fargon** 7/27/2024 5:57 pm

The video above is all I needed to hear that Donald Trump, is an idiot, and if you don't see that. I won't say what I want to.

**Posted by tw** 7/27/2024 8:04 pm

One solution to choice overload. Let someone else do it.

Or put the over 100 reasons into a Bingo cage. Randomly let each reason fall out one at a time. Until someone cried 'Bingo' in November.

B for Bannon on a Bingo card square labeled Himmler. Then it is only a game. Not the destruction of democracy.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 8/25/2024 9:45 am

That'll teach her not the criticize the boss.

**Posted by tw** 8/25/2024 2:27 pm

Anon wrote:
(President Barack Obama said about Springsteen: I'm the president, but he's the boss.)

Does that mean when he leaved Philadelphia this weekend, then he will sell it? How much is Philadelphia really worth? Is the sale tax exempt?

**Posted by TheNeverWas** 8/25/2024 6:28 pm

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 8/25/2024 9:28 pm

TheNeverWas wrote:

Couldn't agree more.

**Posted by griff** 8/26/2024 6:08 am

I say let the mystery be. It's a long boat ride to Hawaii but maybe they're done with her.

So is the Trump / RFK ticket happening? The Batman villain narrative is strong with RFK the environmental lawyer gets a brain worm from being a dirty hippy and joins the fossil fuel crowd, seems like a beautiful bigly move at this stage.

**Posted by tw** 8/26/2024 10:47 am

Anon wrote:
Maybe it’s a reference to the Obama-Springsteen collaboration

The boss owned Philadelphia. With sold out concerts in the big stadium. Apparently constant news reports from the so many reporters - Springsteen fans - don't get out of Philly.

**Posted by tw** 8/26/2024 10:53 am

Trump constantly demeaned and disparaged RFK until this week. And like most everyone in his old administration, he will derogate Kennedy later. Trump always does that. Uses people and then burns them.

Relevant question. Who has he not scorned and harmed?. Even his wife, Jared, and Ivanka no longer appear on the campaign trail. He is about to trade in Melanie for a newer model.

**Posted by griff** 8/27/2024 6:32 am

This election cycle is sorting out by pro-Putin, Erdoğan, Orban authoritarians vs the supporters of liberal democracy. There are inconvenient alliances on both sides like the neo-liberals trying to stay relevant, but in general terms it's modernity vs strongmen. Harris has the advantage of hopeful messaging while Trump continues with his fatalism shtick. Rural America is dying which helps his message but he doesn't have a cure for that. Walz should be able to improve Dems conversation with rural America.

**Posted by griff** 9/17/2024 6:18 am

Vance is continuing to throw fuel on the anti-immigrant fire.Targeting the underdogs won't play out well for him. This is America after all. They could have a nuanced conversation about numbers and costs but Maga prefers open racism.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/09/pete-buttigieg-slams-jd-vance-for-not-knowing-that-the-us-is-a-wealthy-nation/

“If the path to prosperity was flooding your nation with low-wage immigrants, then Springfield, Ohio, would be the most prosperous country- the most prosperous city in the world,” Vance said in a CNBC appearance yesterday. “America would be the most prosperous country in the world, because Kamala Harris has flooded the country with 25 million illegal aliens.”

“Which makes me wonder, what country does J.D. Vance think is the most prosperous country in the world, since he doesn’t think it’s America?” Buttigieg retorted on CNN later the same day. “And also, does he really think that immigration has nothing to do with American prosperity?”

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 9/17/2024 11:16 am

"...Kamala Harris has flooded the country with 25 million illegal aliens.”
This young punk is sure learning from the master.

**Posted by Happy Monkey** 9/18/2024 12:36 am

America's strength has always been from flooding itself with immigrants.

**Posted by griff** 9/18/2024 6:22 am

We need to grow the middle class, increase small business opportunities, and improve education. That's a lot on our plate but doesn't preclude immigration. I lived through the collapse of the rust belt Triple Cities locally. Population collapse has a whole set of problems different than population spikes but maybe harder to get a handle on.

**Posted by glatt** 9/18/2024 8:57 am

Population collapse. I wonder who is going to take care of me when I am old and infirm. Even if I have the funds saved up, will there be anyone to do the work?

**Posted by Happy Monkey** 9/18/2024 11:30 am

It was never "enough", but it was always necessary.

**Posted by Happy Monkey** 9/18/2024 8:46 pm

We've never been in any danger of drowning.