I feel the same way glatt, I've had my shots and I'm paper trained. So when I hear people are refusing the shots I figure well they may die but it's their own fault, not my problem. Yeah I know there are people who can't do the shots but I did/do everything I can short of killing off refusniks. I read since I'm vaccinated I won't likely catch it and if by chance I do it won't get serious, plus I can't carry it to others. I'm guessing the logic is any virus I pick up my immune system will kill off before they can build up a big enough colony to project. I do notice I go to stores forgetting my mask more often now, and have to go back to the truck and get it.

The vaccination numbers outside the Northeast and California attest to this being a permanent part of our landscape. SUNY (State University of NY) just announced mandatory vaccinations for all students.

Lots of people getting the implant... uh, er, I mean the vaccine.

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The story in WAPO using unreleased internal CDC memos about the Provincetown, MA, July 4th celebration claims most of the people were vaccinated. They apparently based this on MA having a vaccination rate of over 70%, highest in the nation. What they fail to understand is P-town in the summer where the population jumps from around 2,900 to 60,000+, and 4th of July could well be another 20,000 more. The majority of these people are not from MA. In a normal year many are not from the US. So they don’t know how many were vaccinated.
 
What is the surprise about vaccinated people having the ability to carry and spread the virus?
Weren’t masks touted as mostly protecting other people from you?
Vaccinated or not you’re breathing the same air as everyone else, and if the virus is in the air you’ll have it up your nose like everyone else. Then you’ll blow it back out into the air like everyone else. In P-town a few vaccinated people got infected with the Delta variant.
 
The CDC says, “The Singapore Ministry of Health recently found that three-fourths of coronavirus cases in the past four weeks were in people who were fully or partially vaccinated, most with no or mild symptoms.” If they had no symptoms why were they cases. Nasal swab doesn’t make them a case, everyone is breathing the same air.
 
The Delta variant reproduces 100 times faster than the A variant, and 1,000 times faster than the original virus. So Delta breaks into your bedroom in the middle of the night, no problem you’ve had your shots and you’re paper trained. But first turn on the lamp, find your slippers, gotta pee first, come back to the bedroom and there’s hundreds of Deltas. Open the closet door and wake up your antibodies to give Delta a smack down. Now if turning on the lamp attracts anyone into the room before you deal with it they could be mugged by Delta.
 
The chances of a vaccinated person being hospitalized are pretty damn small, and the chances of it killing you is probably about the same as being hit by a bus. I don’t care if Bill Gates is recording my masturbation sessions. Beats dying. 
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This is a short video chart of the spread, ebb and re-spread of the Covid virus across the US.
It is easy to pause it to see details, such as your home area.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVqMQSA0LZo

Diaphone Jim wrote:

Why does it seem that the general feeling in the US is "Whew. I am sure glad that this is over?"
Last week we had 4,700 deaths from Covid from 285,000 new cases.
Almost 700 a day!
This is a pace for about 250,000 a year.  Over?

Well, I got part of that right.
Incredibly, the huge number of deaths in 2020 has been surpassed already for 2021.
It is 771,000 and counting.
It is almost like "that can't be right!!"
 

Masks are not a thing in England any more, so I'm told. In Scotland people are sticking with it. But yes, we are being edged towards putting up with it, towards being resigned to catching it (even vaccinated) and hoping that we are the lucky ones.

Covid cancellations have been high this week. This variant could burn out fast so maybe with the week off...
Masks use appears to be about the same despite the mandate in NY. I'm resigned to catching it but not spreading it if that makes any sense.
 

She looks just like that person who knew Saddam had WMDs.  Who also ordered us what to believe.

Resemblance is stunning.

 

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So when there's a guy at the grocery store with no mask, but he's wearing a pistol on his hip like an old West gunslinger. Does this go in the Health forum, or Politics.?

lol

We top dealing it.

Undertoad wrote:

  as is now well known, the vaccinated are just as easily infected by Omicron as the unvaccinated,  

Go to sources that post actual science - not political extremist agendas.  Exposed again will be lies from the same disinformation sources who were also routinely lying in 2001.  View what honest people (who believe in science and not emotions) are saying:

Study participants were over 5 times more likely to have COVID-19 if they were unvaccinated and had a prior infection

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html

Another study from science (not from disinformation sources):

“We detected very little neutralization of the Omicron variant pseudovirus when we used samples taken from people who were recently vaccinated with two doses of mRNA vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson,” says Balazs. “But individuals who received three doses of mRNA vaccine had very significant neutralization against the Omicron variant.”

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

But it’s important to know that immunity induced by the mRNA vaccines is stronger and more reliable than natural immunity, says Iwasaki. That’s because levels of natural immunity tend to differ from person to person. “Vaccines normalize the response to a very high level, where it uniformly uplifts everybody,” she says.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/how-long-will-coronavirus-vaccine-last

Health experts have said that a majority of hospitalizations and deaths associated with the delta variant in recent months have largely been in unvaccinated individuals. The CDC has said the risk of infection is 8x higher in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization or death is 25x higher.

UT has called them liars.

The drug company said its currently FDA-approved 50 microgram booster was found to increase neutralizing antibody levels against omicron 37-fold compared to pre-boost levels. Meanwhile, it found that a 100 microgram booster dose gave an 83-fold increase in neutralizing antibody levels.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/vaccine-efficacy-data-shows-how-shots-protect-against-omicron-covid-variant/2716776/

And most recently

As of January 8, 2022, during Omicron predominance, COVID-19 incidence and hospitalization rates in Los Angeles County among unvaccinated persons were 3.6 and 23.0 times, respectively, those of fully vaccinated persons with a booster, and 2.0 and 5.3 times, respectively, those among fully vaccinated persons without a booster. During both Delta and Omicron predominance, incidence and hospitalization rates were highest among unvaccinated persons and lowest among vaccinated persons with a booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm

We know they are honest.  The say why with numbers.  Only the most easily brainwashed make subjective claims -  without even one relevant number.

Only those who hate adult logic, the health and constitutional rights of all peers, and want to keep covid alive would not be vaccinated.  UT has simply demonstrated how extremist news sources have, but again, used disinformation to keep the same people naive and uneducated.  And posted this lie:

Undertoad wrote:

hence, in the US, the vaccinated are more likely to be the source of mutations 

  Demonstrated is how alive and well are the sources of lies - who also said Saddam had WMDs.  An educated person would have stopped listening to those liars that long ago.  Since those liars also denied that victims in the SuperDome and Convention Center had no food or water for three days.

How many times must lying news sources be caught intentionally lying again before someone finally grasp reality?

Reliable way to stop variants of Covid - all must be vaccinated.  Only the victims of disinformation would ignore well proven science even demonstrated by Polio and Smallpox.  But then some will constantly recite extremist sources rather than be a moderate - use adult logic.

Reality - the unvaccinated were also the source of this Omicron variant.  So lying news sources will not even admit that. Somehow lying for the past 20 years means credibility.  That does not come from adult logic.
 

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