The Cellar / Got Cars

**Posted by griff** 12/10/2020 7:20 am

Restoring cars for Porsche would seem to be a pretty sweet gig for the meticulous.

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/10/2020 12:39 pm

1000 hours of body work!
Intuitively, that means they found it after crushing in a junkyard or Porsche has some crazy work rules.
Maybe they hired the guy who re-did the boat dashboard in the old Boats thread.

More interesting is that when I figured I would link to the boat story to save anyone who was interested the time, I found that where it was (Quality Images and Videos) is GONE!
Actually it seems that the whole old Cellar is DEAD in some form.
RIP

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/11/2020 2:23 am

No, the top two pictures are the before, the as found. It was completely dismantled and made new.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/12/2020 7:02 pm

The American Austin introduced is 1930 was tiny with a wheel base 10" shorter than a Nash Metropolitan.
They sold well for two years then the depression caught up with them.
The guy who bought them lock stock and barrel introduced the American Bantam in 1937.

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/13/2020 12:52 pm

It used to be common knowledge that a new car lost something like 25% (you supply what you heard) of its value as it left the lot, i.e. immediately on purchase.
This Ford seems to have gained about 70% over its eye-popping MSRP in two years.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2018-ford-gt-4/

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/13/2020 9:41 pm

Special order half million dollar cars don't generally follow that old value drop saw, although I've read of a surprising number of buyers of high buck cars totaling them within blocks of the dealer.

Then there are just instant devaluations...

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/15/2020 1:34 pm

Some cars make a big splash...

**Posted by griff** 12/15/2020 6:50 pm

Did it capsize?

**Posted by Gravdigr** 12/15/2020 7:44 pm

The Ford GT is too beautiful to drive.

It needs to mounted on a plinth.

Or something.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/16/2020 3:52 am

griff wrote:
Did it capsize?

The Andria Doria, or the Norseman? I'm sure you're just starting that capsize shit again, shit stirrer.
Someone told me actually there were a number of Ghia creations on that ship.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/16/2020 4:22 am

Believe me, from here it's all downhill...

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/16/2020 12:56 pm

Now those are tail fins.
What a sad, but interesting story:
At least articles of the time don't mention capsizing.

https://roundsixpod.com/2018/06/19/shipwrecked-the-story-of-the-chrysler-norseman/

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/17/2020 12:12 am

Wiki says, Andrea Doria
Launched: June 16, 1951
Length: 701′
Maiden voyage: 14 January 1953
Speed: 23 knots (43 km/h)
Fate: Capsized and sank on 26 July 1956, after colliding with the Stockholm
Out of service: 26 July 1956

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**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/17/2020 12:16 am

A guy in New Hampshire who got into racing seriously, SCCA and USAC.

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/17/2020 1:16 pm

Oh no, not WIki. I think the AD ended up on its side; unlikely it made a 270. I was surprised to see how shallow the site is.

Except for one race at Watkins Glen, all my races were in California so I missed the saga of Raymond Saidel. This is a top-notch webpage:

http://jomar-cars.com/index.html

**Posted by griff** 12/17/2020 2:52 pm

Is this the class you raced?

Watkins Glen is only an hour and a half from home.

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/17/2020 6:29 pm

griff: Nope, I never had enough money to race. Sometimes even spectating put a squeeze on resources and I snuck in.

**Posted by griff** 12/18/2020 7:34 am

My Uncles raced back in the day, they spent a lot of cash the didn't have.

**Posted by BigV** 12/18/2020 7:08 pm

Gravdigr wrote:
The Ford GT is too beautiful to drive.

It needs to mounted on a plinth.

Or something.

too beautiful to drive? Hell, it's so purty I can't even *see* it in this thread.

**Posted by BigV** 12/18/2020 8:27 pm

don't turn it up too loud.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/19/2020 3:41 pm

Diaphone Jim wrote:
Oh no, not WIki. I think the AD ended up on its side; unlikely it made a 270. I was surprised to see how shallow the site is.

The Andrea Doria has a 90' beam in 250' of water. It didn't have to turn 180° to capsize, it only has to tip far enough to fill with water and sink. I haven't seen pictures of any ships that landed upside down on the bottom. They either filled with water and sank upright or capsized and went down laying over.

A crazy canuck in Chicago tried to build cheaper Cadillacs for the kids to learn to drive on.

He was building them from brand new chevys but selling with no warranty.

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**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/20/2020 12:09 pm

Bruce says: "It didn't have to turn 180° to capsize,"
Jim says that's what capsize means. 90 won't do it.
The shallowest part of the wreck was 160' below the surface.
Divers can free dive that. Seems like more would have been recovered, sooner.

**Posted by Gravdigr** 12/20/2020 1:26 pm

BigV wrote:
too beautiful to drive? Hell, it's so purty I can't even *see* it in this thread.

It's at the link in DJ's post (#30).

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 12/21/2020 1:49 am

Diaphone Jim wrote:
Bruce says: "It didn't have to turn 180° to capsize,"
Jim says that's what capsize means. 90 won't do it.
The shallowest part of the wreck was 160' below the surface.
Divers can free dive that. Seems like more would have been recovered, sooner.

cap·size
verb
1-(of a boat) overturn in the water.
capsize
transitive verb : to cause to overturn
intransitive verb: to become upset or overturned
capsize
verb: to turn over or cause a boat or ship to turn over in the water.
It does not have to be upside down only far enough to floor and sink.

ONLY 160 ft? It was 1956 there was no plans to recover it.
"The depth, water temperature, and currents combine to put the wreck beyond the scope of recreational diving. The skills and equipment required to successfully execute this dive, such as use of mixed gases and staged decompression, put it in the realm of only the most experienced technical divers. The wreck is located near 40°29.408′N 69°51.046′W. "

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 12/21/2020 4:18 pm

Citation for:?
"It does not have to be upside down only far enough to floor and sink."

A good read:

https://www.scubadiving.com/travel/northeast/legendary-iandrea-doriai