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11/10/2022 4:46 pm  #1


Twitter "under new mgmt" (Elon Musk)

Anybody following this? From what I've heard,
1) massive lay-offs, now trying to re-hire some of the laid-off workers
2) Musk tweets that parody accounts must "clearly specify" they are parody, or be perma-banned. No policy details as to what constitutes "clearly specify" ... Subsequently, accounts with "THIS IS A PARODY ACCOUNT" in their bio have been perma-banned
3) Twitter has done away with "verified" accounts, now anyone can buy the same blue checkmark for $8.00 ... eta: now added "Official" account feature ... eta: now "Official" account feature pulled from production

People are paying $8.00 to create "verified looking" accounts for notable people like Elon Musk, Rudy Giuliani, George W. Bush, and likely most consequentially, the Nintendo Corporation-- which has posted Mario giving the finger. Presumably these accounts "clearly specify" being a parody, however they have the blue checkmark which has always indicated a verified account

eta: purely anecdotal-- businesses are pulling their advertising buys from Twitter.. (is this true or rumor?)
 

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11/10/2022 6:01 pm  #2


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I used to think he was smart, but maybe he has toxoplasmosis or something.

 

11/10/2022 8:41 pm  #3


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A verified Twitter account posing as the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly tweeted Thursday afternoon saying, "We are excited to announce that insulin is free now." The account, with the handle @EliLillyandCo, used the Eli Lilly logo and had a verified checkmark.The tweet generated more than 1,500 retweets and stayed up for several hours before the account was locked by Twitter.

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Later in the evening, the account was unlocked. The Eli Lilly logo was removed. The checkmark remained on the desktop version of the site, but not on the app.The real Eli Lilly Twitter account, @LillyPad, tweeted, "We apologize to those who have been served a misleading message from a fake Lilly account. Our official Twitter account is @LillyPad."

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11/11/2022 8:45 am  #4


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Looks like they suspended the fake Tesla account after the WTC mic drop.


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

11/11/2022 8:55 am  #5


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Another funny thing is that Elon supporters have said, "Ha ha, stupid trolls are paying Elon $8 every time they make a new fake-corporate account to troll him," except as others have pointed out, credit cards will let you reverse the charges if he suspends the account within a month, because you didn't receive the product you paid for, i.e. one month's service.

Another fake corpoate account was from "Lockheed Martin" announcing they were suspending all sales to Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the United States until they'd conducted a full investigation of those countries' human rights abuses.
 

 

11/11/2022 2:05 pm  #6


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Twitter Blue has been suspended. People who already paid the $8 have lost their blue checkmarks


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11/11/2022 2:42 pm  #7


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11/12/2022 8:24 am  #8


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4.5% drop. Pete and I have a running joke about what causes stocks to go up and down, people amaze me.


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

11/12/2022 12:07 pm  #9


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With nearly every up or down, "experts" explain what caused it.
I don't think they have any idea.  Rich folks had good sex or bad gas are probably as good as any.
I have about the same very negative opinion of both the stock market and Twitter.  And use neither.

 

11/12/2022 9:44 pm  #10


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Diaphone Jim wrote:

I have about the same very negative opinion of both the stock market and Twitter.  And use neither.

Stock market is so easy.  Simply see what the naive do.  Then use their predictable (and only emotional) behavior to make money.

 

 

12/09/2022 11:37 am  #11


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I got interested in starting my own BBS back in the late 80s, after using the other BBSes in town. The system operators were all drunk with the power they got from somehow attacting an audience. They loved  becoming the cool kids with status. They would flaunt their ability to ban anybody. "Bring out the banhammer 3000!" became a rallying cry on one of the BBSes whenever anyone offended their clique.

The new cool kids were suddenly running their own high school lunch table, and acting like the old high school cool kids. You can't sit here!

If I had a BBS, I thought, people could say whatever they wanted. No cool kid vote and no cool kid veto. And there would be no special places where some people could get to and others couldn't. Nobody would get a special status; and I wouldn't either. I would try hard not to grab the one true ring and become corrupted by its power. I'd just be one of everybody.

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Twitter was like the BBS sysop bunch getting big time power and angling to be able to use it on anyone they didn't like. As of yesterday, we have the receipts. They wrote internal tools to give themselves different types of bans and shadow bans to use. They bent their own rules to wield maximum power. The CEO was weak and allowed these power games to fester.

It was "banhammer 3000" all over again, the very same dynamic, but now played on a global scale. And all their power was so focused on this game that it became the whole point of the organization. Their "safety" team was so busy banning their outgroups, they didn't have enough attention left to go after things like child sex trafficking operations.

It's true. A week after Elon took over, anti-trafficking advocate Eliza Bleu noticed that the three main hashtags used by traffickers were gone. As she had requested from Twitter's "safety" team again and again. It turned out the only way to accomplish this was to lay off the entire "safety" team and start over.

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What happened to the power-wielding sysops back in the day? The Cellar BBS took their users. Their communities petered out and died, even before the Internet came for them. You don't build a healthy, vibrant community through exclusion, by definition.

Twitter was similarly sick. It was limited, it was declining as a place for honest discussion or the issues of the day. Now users are up, engagement is up. Advertisers will follow because Twitter again becomes a place where influencers and decision-makers can talk. They don't do this on Facebook or Instagram.

The losing cool kids basically know this, and they are largely staying on Twitter. In fact, for the most part, they are miserably complaining about Twitter ON TWITTER. That tells you all you need to know. High school is over, and Twitter is going to succeed, for the same reason that The Cellar BBS succeeded.

 

12/09/2022 1:07 pm  #12


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Interesting perspective.  I appreciate your thoughtful post.

I think it's fascinating that after a quarter of millennium, this country is still discussing the nuances of freedom of speech.

 

12/10/2022 10:14 am  #13


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glatt wrote:

... this country is still discussing the nuances of freedom of speech.

Unfortunately freedom only exists AFTER responsibility exists.  Social media has made responsible speech unnecessary.  We are now learning how destructive freedom can be without responsibility.

In the past year, I have now discovered  people in psychological therapy due to hate and hype promoted by extremist rhetoric in social media.  They foolishly and automatically believed extremist rhetoric.  Indications of violence, intolerance, and confrontation have increased due to increased freedom without responsibility.

One would expect us to learn from harmful targeting decades ago in schools that even created self harm including depression and suicides.  Do we blame the victim? (Many do.)  Not blame cyberbullies who need freedom of speech to promote intentionally destructive lies and behavior?

Why did Saddam have WMDs?  Free speech without responsibility easily corrupted a majority.  Making America the pariah.

Freedom can only exist when responsibility also exists.  Since so many adults are not officer material.  Do not know how to separate hate, hearsay, and lies from honesty.

Why must responsibility always be included with free speech?   The Migram experiment in Yale  demonstrates people who are the problem.  Who make free speech without responsibility so problematic.

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12/10/2022 4:17 pm  #14


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2006 : Dorsey has a garbage idea.
2019 : After years of low grade garbage, Twitter begins amplifying ideas which actually kill.
2020: Failed attempt to stuff misinformation genie back in the garbage can.
2022: Garbage site bought by Musk, turns out to be garbage.

 


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

12/12/2022 10:08 am  #15


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STUNNING whistleblower details over the weekend

- Twitter did not have a test bed system, made code changes to the production system (which any developer in the world will tell you is IN FUCKING SANE) ("Just add the feature right in and see if it crashes or discloses a bunch of data that should be private.") and
- ALL engineers had access to add to the production code with NO LOGGING of who checked things in. Holy fucking shit. And
- 51% of Twitter full-time employees had full access to production and live user data. As a result...
- In 2020 the biggest security breach of any social media site in history happened at Twitter, and it was infiltrated by teenagers, who simply phoned Twitter employees, pretended to be Twitter IT support, and asked for their passwords. This gave them access to all the accounts in the world and they used the accounts of Obama, Biden, Gates, and Musk, among others, to make posts asking people to send them cryptocurrency.
- This was easy because there were no internal controls on work systems, and employees were repeatedly found to be intentionally installing spyware on their work computers AT THE REQUEST OF EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS
- There was evidence that one or more employees were working for foreign intelligence operations, and in fact:
- There were multiple episodes suggesting that Twitter had been penetrated by foreign intelligence agencies.
- The Indian government forced Twitter to hire their government agents.
- China, who blocks Twitter, paid for information that would let them monitor users in China using VPNs to access Twitter, but the InfoSec officer was told to ignore it becasue Twitter was too dependent on this revenue stream!
- And just before being promoted to CEO, Parag Agrawal suggested to the InfoSec officer that Twitter should comply with Russia's censorship and surveillance demands as a way to grow users in Russia.
- And finally they hid a lot of this stuff from the exec board and wrote security reports as to mislead the board into thinking things were fine.

Sadly, all this is harmful to the Musk Man Bad narrative, and so it will probably be under-reported. At least you know, now.

 

12/12/2022 10:20 am  #16


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12/12/2022 2:09 pm  #17


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How is any of that harmful to the Musk Man Bad narrative?


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12/12/2022 3:55 pm  #18


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The narrative is, pre-Musk Twitter was competently run and laying off 2/3rds of employees was heartless and cruel. At one point, laying them off was supposed to lead to the failure of the site.

In fact it was incompetently run at all levels and desperately needed to be broadly cleared out.

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12/12/2022 6:45 pm  #19


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Undertoad wrote:

- In 2020 the biggest security breach of any social media site in history happened at Twitter, and it was infiltrated by teenagers, who simply phoned Twitter employees, pretended to be Twitter IT support, and asked for their passwords. This gave them access to all the accounts in the world and they used the accounts of Obama, Biden, Gates, and Musk, among others, to make posts asking people to send them cryptocurrency.
 

This was a crazy story. The mastermind behind this Twitter social engineering fiasco started off as a Minecraft hacker who made his bones selling stolen Minecraft usernames
 


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12/13/2022 6:32 pm  #20


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There isn't a constant level of competence shared between Musk and Twitter, where showing problems at Twitter demonstrates competence in Musk.  Rounded to the nearest percent, 0% of the people he fired were in charge of deciding who had access to the code base, or making agreements with foreign governments.  And most of the decisions he has made have been very poorly handled, if not very poor ideas overall.


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12/13/2022 7:29 pm  #21


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suit yourself, i'm not really interested in your opinion

 

12/13/2022 9:27 pm  #22


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But the important thing is that everyone knows that, right?  Otherwise you wouldn't have responded at all.


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12/14/2022 1:02 am  #23


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i'm tired of that game do you have any others we could play

 

12/14/2022 11:12 am  #24


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Undertoad wrote:

suit yourself, i'm not really interested in your opinion

A first indication of an extremist mentality.  "I don't want to know anything that might contradict my emotions."

Not an insult.  A fact.

An honest reply would have cited a fallacy in his statements.  Called a constructive discussion.

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12/14/2022 1:20 pm  #25


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you haven't posted an honest reply since that day i asked if you were fucking little kids and you said yes

 

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