what would happen if you did..?

sumthin'


what would happen if you didn't..?

nuthin'


my advice: if it ain't about you, then it ain't about you, so: mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself, or else

concrete example: you overhear a fella bark to his woman, bitch, get that fat ass over here...you might wanna keep rollin', jack

now: if that fella starts wallopin' on his fat ass bitch, well, that's a different tale...as I reckon it, he done crossed the line...me, I'd be obliged to intervene...not to have a conversation about his soul but to stop him from treatin' her like a side of beef in a Rocky movie

I might very well get my testicles handed to me for my trouble , but them's the breaks

see: *my ethic only says a person belongs to himself so it's wrong to treat him as property or resource...and I'm talkin' physically here...I got no obligation to get into people's heads and scrub away at their psyches...my obligation -- to myself, to others -- is respectin' people's ownness, and defendin' mine and the other guy's where I must and can

their souls: that's god's sphere, and he's welcome to it









*in full...

a man belongs to himself
his life, liberty, and property are his
his life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

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If your best friend left a restaurant without paying, and you didn't know whether they did it on purpose, or accidentally, would you say something to them about it?

am I gettin' stuck with the bill?

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so: my buddy is rippin' off -- intentionally or not -- someone he contracted with (they fed him predicated on his payin' for the meal)

yeah, I'll say pay your bill

Flint wrote:

Interesting, that's not what I thought you were going to say.

Tell me if this sounds fair, or if I am off the mark-- I think that you think your intervention (verbal) would be warranted based on your assessment that you have witnessed actions by one individual that could have an impact on another individual. Specifically, the violation of an implied contract.

 
it was theft...contract violations usually are

Flint wrote:

And what is the basis of your right to intervene in this situation?
You're not a law enforcement officer, it isn't your job to interfere with a theft being committed.

 
look upthread...there's an edit you missed

Flint wrote:

I did miss that. You mean this part?

his life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

 
I mean all of it...

a man belongs to himself
his life, liberty, and property are his
his life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

this is my natural rights libertarianism...a kind of moral realism, not an ideology or politics

c: weird


but I hasten to add this is the kind of conversation I missed while you were gone hq. 

Flint wrote:

Would chopping someone's leg off be a deprivation of life? Or liberty?

Or, in the weirdest possible interpretation, property?

are we savin' a life by takin' off a diseased limb, has permission been gotten?

or: are we talkin' about an attack wherein the attacker wants that leg?
 

Flint wrote:

I disagree with henry on some of what seems like big things, I suspect we agree on more things than we disagree on, when you remove the window dressing, but most of all I appreciate that he can hold a line of conversation without flaming out.

I think there's an insurmountable gulf between us (well, between me and almost everyone here)

as for havin' a conniption: what's the point? if I get fed up, I walk away
 

Flint wrote:

henry, I think there's an insurmountable gulf between what I actually think and what my values are and the straw man // boogey man that you keep projecting at me out of left field. No matter how many times you think I or anyone whats to "cOnTrOL pEoPLe'S tHoUgHts" that will never, ever be anything but the little story you tell yourself in your own head. Say it and think it a million times, write it down and put it under your pillow for the tooth fairy, it doesn't serve any function but to dehumanize people you probably don't even disagree with, if you could just get past that mental block.

what?

I'm confused, did I miss sumthin'?

Anyway I'm generally curious if chopping someone's leg off would be a deprivation of life, liberty, or property.

I mean-- which one is it, and if none of the above, it's cool to chop people's legs off? 

Last edited by Flint (11/27/2020 11:34 pm)

Flint wrote:

Anyway I'm generally curious if chopping someone's leg off would be a deprivation of life, liberty, or property.

I mean-- which one is it, and if none of the above, it's cool to chop people's legs off? 

 
details, guy, where the devil lives...gimme