If Trump loses the election, every day between Nov. 3rd and Jan. 20th could be the day that my friends, family, or loved ones are gunned down, run over, or any number of other direct threats that the MAGA crowd has literally explicitly stated is their intention. Local law enforcement says it's just tough talk, simply ignore them and get on with your life. But the threat doesn't just go away when you ignore it.

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there's no reason for it to stop on Jan. 20th, I'm just eating the elephant one bite at a time

Big Sarge wrote:

Flint, you say Trump supporters are armed with "itchy trigger fingers" in your community.

Obviously they have not yet admitted defeat.  Shooting clearly would not start until much later.  

The Economist is full of article after article citing so much destruction to America (and the world) created by Trump.  They are patriots.  They state facts - not emotions or political agendas.

How much harm might happen? Learn what Trump supporters advocate.  As one so gleefully said, he wants to wreck shit.

  When it comes to the body politic, the scars run deep.  The bitterly divided country of 2016 campaign is more bitterly divided than ever. ... There is a detectible rise in new strains of extreme partisanship.  Data from the Voter Study Group ... show one in five Americans saying that violence could be justified if the other party wins the impending election - a minority, but one that has increased markedly since 2017.

  And will continue to increase.  As demonstrated by an executive order he has already to execute.

In 1933 Germany, about 3% of the German population openly supported Hitler's campaign of offense.  In that number, only 0.4% ( about 207,000) openly advocated violence.  Since the leader was a divider - well, The Economist (in so many articles noting damage done by Trump) says

whereas most recent presidents have seen toxic partisanship as bad for America.  Mr Trump has made it central to his office.  He has never sought to represent the majority of Americans who did not vote for him. ... his instinct was not to heal, but to depict it as an orgy of looting and left wing violence. - part of a pattern of stroking racial tensions.

Do we learn from history?   

Four more years of a historically bad president like Mr Trump would deepen all these harms - and more..

What happened when the Nazi paty still did not dominate Germany?  The Reichstag building (German Parliament) suddenly burned down.  And then Hitler declared marshal law.

How many more Timothy McVeighs are now created?  Trump's long history is to promote such hate.  No other president openly did that. 

This trend towards hyper-partisan predated Mr Trump and went a long way towards explaining his election.  He in turn has amplified it - both "a product and an accelerant of the partisan doom loop"

In that picture, I see the SS all over again.  Trump supporters.  Facts from history are damning when one learns facts.  Ignores hype and lies from extremists.

So many separate articles now in The Economist detail destruction to America - and worse to American values - all directly traceable to Trump.  Whose long history was to always advance himself at the expense of everyone else.   Violence is openly advocated by Trump if he loses today election.  No way around that fact.

They never did this before.  Their front cover reads "Why it has to be Joe Biden."    That p;ictures of Trump's SS only confirms it.

 

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Big Sarge wrote:

TW, It is the Democrats/ANTIFA/BLM committing the majority of the acts of violence..

SS was a smaller group - part of SA.  Eventually, in an act of violence so acceptable among extemists, the SS literally executed SA leaders to take over.  Did not just take over.  They literally execute SA leaders.   SA was a group of violence.  But nothing as severe as the SS.

Only extremists news organizations (that need not confirm their stories since their political agenda is sufficienta) are promoting this ANTIFA myth.  Using your reasoning, Martin Luther King and other members of that movement were also terrorists.  But Trump did not say so yet.  If he does, will you also recite that myth?

Of two extremists groups (far left and far right), only far right wing extremists use violence and openly carry AK-47s to prove their righteousness. Timothy McVeigh being the classic example of a far right wing extremist.  Extremists repeating history - like the SS.

I understand the new salute that they will be promoting comes from the movie Spaceballs.  Maybe not.  But it does demonstrate the level of reasoning behind that movement.  They did not blame the Jews.  So it must be some secret society called ANTIFA - that was invented by Trump.  And that must exist only because right wing extremist know everything Trump says is true.


 

Last edited by tw (11/03/2020 6:24 pm)

Big Sarge wrote:

   Do you seed the far-right burning and looting? 

Investigators were seeking right wing extremists in Portland who were actively doing damage during an otherwise peaceful "Black Lives Matter" demonstration.  Since big guns and intimidation is the purpose of organized right wing extremists.  (Also true of Nazis in 1930 Germany and racists in the America's deep south in 1960s).  As demonstrated in Charlottesville VA.  Or did you conveniently forget Heather Heyer?  Intentional murder justified only by right wing rhetoric.

But you still don't get it.  Repeated and you still do not get it.  It was never left verses right.   Only extremist see everything in black and white.  It was always extremists disparaging moderates.  To keep their brainwashed extremist followers brainwashed, extremists say anything to avoid that reality.  Left wing will call moderates right wingers.  But more aggressively (due to Trump's brainwashing his people with daily lies - even The Economist is blunt about his constant lying), right wingers loudly call even moderate Republicans liberals.

Sir.  The patriots are moderates.  They learn facts before making conclusion.  Only adults who are children say, "I am a liberal/conservative.  So this is what I believe." That is classic brainwashing.  Trump supporters who think that way are especially boisterous  - odiously so.=16px 

No organization called ANTIFA exists. Invented by right wing extremists to label an enemy - just like Nazis needed to labeled people who were not pure Aryans.   So that their lower intelligent followers have a soundbyte to blindly believe.  Soundbytes (that target emotions) is how Nazis inspired their SA followers.  ANTIFA is simply another mythical enemy so that extreme right wingers have a label for anyone who exposes their childish reasoning.

Moderates (adults who think like adults) ignore that silly ANTIFA expression that exists only to promote more hate.

Heather Heyer.  Cherry picking is to ignore facts that contradict a reality.
 

you are okay with "I will threaten to shoot you if we disagree"
that's the values that will uplift the nation

Don't downplay the importance of damaging people's property, there's a lot more to it than insurance claims. It destroys people's live and livelihoods.
Harming people or their property is unacceptable bullying. Living in fear is devastating.
Threatening physical harm to person and/or property can do as much psychological damage as the physical act, that's why, "just wait till your father gets home" was one of Mom's most potent weapons. 

plus those milkshakes that had concrete in them, right?