The Cellar » So what do we all think about the rapist who transitioned whilst await

monster · 1/26/2023 7:05 pm

Man raped two women then transitioned to female whilst awaiting trial

I dunno if she's had the chop yet, but my gut instinct is not happy about a rapist being held in a women's prison, even if they are (initially) segregated

Flint · 1/27/2023 1:02 pm

I think I don't want bubba and the trucker cap brigade to shoot up the "gay people reading books at the library club" because they think, "this proves it--all differents are bad!" while the pundits are saying, "all differents are not necessarily bad, BUT THEY MIGHT BE--look at this one! This proves it!

Clodfobble · 1/28/2023 8:36 pm

Trans-female inmates have already raped people in women's prisons a bunch of times. Also, trans-female inmates have been raped by people in men's prison a bunch of times. I kind of feel like prison should be a place where people can't get raped at all, but that's me living in fantasy land.

Limey · 1/29/2023 5:53 am

I'm with Clod in fantasy land.
The person Monster refers to will now be detained in a men's prison.
ETA I'm also with Flint, but not sure how to have the dialogue with Bubba and his friends.

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Flint · 2/01/2023 3:56 pm

It would be good to understand how things "somehow" happened.

How did we get divided into such negative-thinking camps? One one hand, Bubba and his group of concerned citizens that meet in the local church every week to discuss how to stop the invasion of the forces of evil, might possibly want to curb stomp all gay people, and the other side is even worse-- a blue-haired person wrote a snarky comment on an old guy's twitter post. It's basically equal.

tw · 2/01/2023 7:19 pm

Flint wrote:
How did we get divided into such negative-thinking camps?

A transgender person was a rapist. To the emotional, that implies transgender people are evil. Unfortunately many use such emotions to make conclusions. Rather than see the obvious. This story has no relationship to anything involving LGBTQIA.

When a news source is only an extremist propaganda machine, then that conclusion justified only by an emotion is easily promoted.

Hitler used this same technique to prove Jews were vernon. Therefore must be exterminated. What logic justified that widely touted belief? Same that assumes (emotionally) a rapist and a transgender person must be similar.

Flint · 2/01/2023 7:54 pm

"a topic" --that's what you call it when gay people live in fear for their lives, in the real town where I really live.

nothing to see here, folks, it's just "a topic"

Happy Monkey · 2/01/2023 8:56 pm

I wouldn't say Bosom Buddies indicated trans, or CD, acceptance any more than Three's Company indicated gay acceptance.

In both cases, it was characters who definitely were not really CD/gay, but had to act that way to deceive landlords.

Straight, cis men dressed as women for laughs has always, and still is, accepted among bubbas.

I'm not going to speak on whether actual trans people were accepted by bubbas, but Bosom Buddies wouldn't be an example of it.

Diaphone Jim · 2/02/2023 12:16 pm

You never know what you'll get in the Cellar.
Is Vernon a popular Jewish name?

Flint · 2/02/2023 4:56 pm

We've put the 100 most popular answers on the board..
I think the correct response is, "haha loser ur a beta cuck NPC"

Survey s a y s - -

glatt · 2/02/2023 6:34 pm

If I am being honest, I remember being disappointed when there didn't appear to be any proof that Trump was guilty of Russia. I liked thinking of him being a fucked up guy who would piss on prostitutes and then get blackmailed for it. It seemed in character and fit in nicely with my understanding of him. I still think poorly of Trump, but agree that he was not treated fairly by the press. Maybe because he routinely ridiculed them. Which came first? Who started it?

Liberals are certainly not angels when it comes to being kind to people different from them.

Bubba voted for Clinton (Bill) twice and Bill responded by passing NAFTA and Bubba's factory job got sent down to Mexico. Bubba is struggling and it's no wonder he's looking around for someone to point the finger at. These elite liberals always lecturing him on why he's wrong, but he knows that his dad had a house and raised a family with just a high school degree, and Bubba is more likely to die of a heroin overdose or commit suicide than to buy a house. Of course Bubba is going to respond well to Trump. Of course Bubba is going to be pissed off at the immigrants who will do his job for less money.

The class war is about money and respect more than anything.

Flint · 2/02/2023 6:55 pm

Only a few people are reaching out to Bubba the right way-- I count the Insane Clown Posse, strangely enough, as an example of this. When they realized that their fan base of poor, white, predominately male trailer trash were culturally susceptible to getting pulled into racism and homophobia, they started using their platform, as horror-themed clown rappers, to preach tolerance and stuff to that audience instead of writing them off as a "toxic fan base"

monster · 2/02/2023 10:59 pm

Limey wrote:
I'm with Clod in fantasy land.

me three

monster · 2/02/2023 11:04 pm

Undertoad wrote:
welp monster that's about whatcha get, thanks for bringing up a topic

What?

I got a discussion?

Um...???

monster · 2/02/2023 11:08 pm

Undertoad wrote:
ah you fuckin assholes, suddenly i get it and now i'm meta reading you for your entertainment value

you big bunch of fags. ha ha ha well played

can't believe i'm so stupid i never saw it before

monster give us a new topic

"How has the panic about the made-up threat of covid19 affected your ability to attain or pay for your medications?"

monster · 2/02/2023 11:13 pm

Clodfobble wrote:
Trans-female inmates have already raped people in women's prisons a bunch of times. Also, trans-female inmates have been raped by people in men's prison a bunch of times. I kind of feel like prison should be a place where people can't get raped at all, but that's me living in fantasy land.

This is why I raised the topic -because I was uncomfortable with the concept of her being in a women's prison -as a convicted rapist of women- but also felt there was no way she would be safe in a men's prison.

And I have a teeny tiny demon on my shoulder that demands proof that the transition was genuine and not an attempt to avoid a long long prison sentence. Extreme, but stranger things...

griff · 2/03/2023 7:30 am

Yeah this is a no good choices choice. The system needs reform now regardless but definitely before we get into all manner of human enhancement.

tw · 2/03/2023 10:49 am

Flint wrote:
"a topic" --that's what you call it when gay people live in fear for their lives,

Even the holocaust is a topic. Being emotional does not change anything.

Being a rapist and then being transgender are two separate topics. Regardless of whether any emotions exist.

Reasons for those emotions or fear? A third topic.

tw · 2/03/2023 11:01 am

glatt wrote:
I still think poorly of Trump, but agree that he was not treated fairly by the press.

He got what he deserved - and less. A cement strike in NYC meant nobody could get concrete. But Trump got concrete delivered on schedule for the construction of Trump Tower. He constantly used lawyers to not pay his contractors. He constantly defaulted on bank loans. His companies never made a profit. But he always did. He has long been like Al Capone at getting away with things. And constantly lying. Long before he had that TV show "Your Fired".

Was he unfairly treated in a correspondent dinner where many (including Obama) mocked him for his 'birthing' lies? He lied so often that, many times, it was no longer reported. It was expected.

Even more amazing, he would default on bank loans. They would still loan him more money. That is the press treating him badly? Something like 100 companies in this region went bankrupt because he did not pay contractors for Taj Mahal casino construction. But Trump was treated badly - not those contractors.

Why should transgender people have so much fear? Trump even inspires that hate.

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tw · 2/03/2023 11:11 am

monster wrote:
This is why I raised the topic -because I was uncomfortable with the concept of her being in a women's prison -as a convicted rapist of women- but also felt there was no way she would be safe in a men's prison.

Involves a much larger topic. For example, universities once classified students only as male and female. Are now having trouble with new requirements. (Industry requirements; not legal ones.) That may list up to nine (if I remember) different gender classifications. This is even affecting how professors address their students. That topic, as explained to me by numerous people in this industry, was so complex that I still do not grasp it.

Something as simple as a transgender woman on a girl's baseball team. Is that acceptable? Currently any answer is valid.

monster · 2/03/2023 6:31 pm

Not entirely sure how my discomfort -as a woman- about a person convicted of violently sexually attacking women as a man being housed with women makes me a fascist, although I do understand that as a woman my place is not to be having opinions or attempting discussion because I'm too fucking stupid to know.

I'd be less uncomfortable if she'd had the chop, but it doesn't seem that that is the case. But now I'll step back and wait until I'm told what to think. I'd make all y'all a sammich, but apparently covid has caused arsenic shortages

fargon · 2/03/2023 7:57 pm

If he/she still has cock and balls them they belong in a male prison, good luck to them.

Anon · 2/04/2023 10:13 am

An exception may be voluntary acceptance of chemical castration (at their own risk and closely monitored for effectiveness). It's used by some countries like Canada and some US states like California. Just sayin', since I haven't seen it mentioned yet though well into the discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

monster · 2/04/2023 7:47 pm

If they were desperate enough to be housed in a women's prison to go through that, I'd be more OK with it.

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