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glatt · 3/03/2023 9:12 am

He's likely thinking of an old timey straight axle.

tw · 3/03/2023 9:57 am

glatt wrote:
He's likely thinking of an old timey straight axle.

Axles are a solid connection that supports both wheels. That technology was obsolete before 1980. CV joints obviously mean no axle. Anyone without an extremist brainwashing would know that.

Independent suspension was standard how many decades ago? A McPherson design was patented in 1947.

A Cadallic is also known for putting lipstick on a pig. He admits it is so obsolete (anti-Ameican) that it has an axle.

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glatt · 3/03/2023 12:28 pm

"Anyone without an extremist brainwashing would know that."

Really? In a discussion about axles? How could you think that sentence belongs in that post?

Flint · 3/03/2023 12:53 pm

oh glatt, has Big Axle gotten to you, too?

tw · 3/03/2023 3:21 pm

glatt wrote:
Really? In a discussion about axles? How could you think that sentence belongs in that post?

If the discussion was only about axles, then most of what TheNeverWas was not posted. He justified his total ignorance of axles with sarcasm and insults. And educated consumer would have only discussed axles - not cheap shots.

What car made today is so crappy that it has an axle?

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Flint · 3/03/2023 4:44 pm

the axle bone is connected to the wheel bone

I learned that in a decongestant commercial .. /Zoidberg

tw · 3/03/2023 6:59 pm

Undertoad wrote:
us backwards people in PA haven't caught on yet

And so American auto assembly plants in PA and adjacent in nearby states all had to close.

Clodfobble · 3/03/2023 9:46 pm

Friend of mine named their kid Axel...

xoxoxoBruce · 3/04/2023 1:11 am

tw is talking about what was commonly referred to as the "rear" or the "rear axle" but in fact is the rear axle assembly. Inside that big old iron housing that holds up the rear of the car with springs, is the differential, a couple axles, oil, bearings and seals. A independent rear suspension cuts weight and improves handling. The differential is now in it's own housing, the two axles have flexible connectors at both ends to connect to the differential and wheel stubs which are actually a mini axles. I think most of the EVs have a motor in front, a motor in front and back, and very few have a motor in front and two in the rear. All of them need axles to transmit power to the wheels. I've read about using 4 wheel motors but I don't think there are any on the market yet.

tw · 3/04/2023 11:41 am

That confuses a drive shaft with an axle. An axle is part of the suspension. It supports the wheels. If an axle is as described, then even that shaft out of an electric motor is an axle. It isn't.

Axles were once on both front and rear of all cars. Low tech, pickups (and other trucks such as Mac) still used axles on both front and rear suspension long after it was obsolete.

CV joints and shafts from motors clearly are not and are not connected to axles. Those parts do nothing to support wheels (ie hold wheel alignment in position).

Axle eliminated because it was a crappy suspension. Only existed, even in front wheel drive GM cars for decades, because it was cheap. Quality was no longer a factor in GM designs: ie Cadillacs. Even though axles were obsoleted by a 1947 GM patent. McPherson had to go to Ford so as to implement his innovation.

Drive shaft that powers wheels through a differential is not an axle. It does nothing to support wheels. So it is called a drive shaft. CV joints do not connect to axles - since it obviously connects to parts that do not support wheels. Any car made today with an axle is crap - obsolete.

TheNeverWas · 3/04/2023 5:46 pm

You. Are a goddamn fool.

TheNeverWas · 3/04/2023 5:47 pm

My vehicle has a drive shaft and two drive axles.

TheNeverWas · 3/04/2023 5:49 pm

Let me bait you wi-I mean--ask you this:

Do trailers have axles?

Predicting no response related to the question.

Diaphone Jim · 3/04/2023 6:22 pm

TheNeverWas wrote:
You. Are a goddamn fool.

Yup

tw · 3/04/2023 9:12 pm

TheNeverWas wrote:
You. Are a goddamn fool.

Demonstrated but again is no clue what an axle is. But then nothing here is about you being honest. Being an extremist, you cannot admit to a mistake. Apparently an ego thing. Cannot post anything that justified your speculations. You have an axle? That proves it is an axle? What kind of logic is that?

Todays suspensions use trailing arms, anti-sway bars, Chapman or MacPherson struts, or wishbones. Axles no longer connect to and hold both wheels. As might still be seen on some lesser advanced trucks.

Things your call an axle must be adjusted for wheel alignment? Of course not. What spins wheels has no relationship to what supports those wheels. What adjusts wheel alignment is never called an axle. Axles no longer exist on properly designed cars.

Learning the difference between a drive shaft and an axle means one must admit to being wrong. Rather than justify the mistake (because you cannot), an extremist again posts insults. Insults only confirm an extremists mentality. Moderates (patriots) need not do that. It is the nature of a Trump style extremist. Since he is wrong and cannot admit it, he does what Trump does. Attack others.

From "CV Joint: how it works, symptoms, problems" at https://www.samarins.com/glossary/cv_joint.html :

All front-wheel drive cars have Constant Velocity joints or CV joints on both ends of the drive shafts (half shafts). Inner CV joints connect the drive shafts to the transmission, while the outer CV joints connect the drive shafts to the wheels.

No axle exist to support wheels or maintain wheel alignment. Those obsolete technologies were eliminated long ago. Facts without posting insults. So it must be wrong?

You cannot post more than 100 characters? Says but again you cannot justify your mistake. Can only do what extremist understand. Demean me as if I was a jew. Who taught you how to do that?

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TheNeverWas · 3/05/2023 9:22 pm

From the Wiki article entitled "Axle":
Subsection "Drive Axle":

An axle that is driven by the engine or prime mover is called a drive axle.Modern front-wheel drive cars typically combine the transmission (gearbox and differential) and front axle into a single unit called a transaxle. The drive axle is a split axle with a differential and universal joints between the two half axles. Each half axle connects to the wheel by use of a constant velocity (CV) joint which allows the wheel assembly to move freely vertically as well as to pivot when making turns.In rear-wheel drive cars and trucks, the engine turns a driveshaft (also called a propellor shaft or tailshaft) which transmits the rotational force to a drive axle at the rear of the vehicle. The drive axle may be a live axle, but modern rear-wheel drive automobiles generally use a split axle with a differential. In this case, one half-axle or half-shaft connects the differential with the left rear wheel, a second half-shaft does the same with the right rear wheel; thus the two half-axles and the differential constitute the rear axle. The front drive axle is providing the force to drive the truck. In fact, only one wheel of that axle is actually moving the truck and trailer down the road.

Now, whether you know it or not, you are talking about an axle housing. Here's one.

TheNeverWas · 3/05/2023 9:27 pm

tw wrote:
Says but again you cannot justify your mistake.

You mean my mistake? And Bruce's mistake?
And DiaphoneJim's mistake? Bruce being a car guy. DiaphoneJim at least seems to understand what we mean, being a farmer, and somewhat of a car guy. I'm a little bit of a car guy.

And you being the guy who could not tell us what make and model car you drive.

tw · 3/06/2023 11:30 am

Drive axle, also called a drive shaft or axle shaft, is not the axle that supports wheels. Clearly discussed was something completely different. Being a lover of Nazis and hate, and with too much ego, then you want to argue rather than learn what was really said. Demonstrating but again how emotions replaces adult thinking. Amazing what give you a hardon. I am pleased you demonstrate what inspires a Trump supporter.

That axle was long obsoleted by various and previously listed suspensions. You do not even know what those are. And do not care. You only want the hardon that Urban Guerilla worshipped. .Argue to insult like any good white supremacist would do. Like someone so dumb as to even buy a Cadillac.

That drive shaft in Wikipedia is not the axle that supports wheels. Another post so that you can reply with minutiae; demonstrate the extremist mindset. Laced with ignorance, hate, and insults. Good is that you demonstrate what entralls Trump supporters. Slander that justifies rage.

TheNeverWas · 3/06/2023 9:38 pm

Just so you know what it is:

tw · 3/07/2023 9:25 am

How many different ways can an extremist post insults. It would be funny if it was not so sad.

TheNeverWas · 3/07/2023 8:11 pm

It's funny cuz it;s true.

TheNeverWas · 3/08/2023 7:16 pm

TheNeverWas wrote:
Predicting no response related to the question.

None whatsoever...

xoxoxoBruce · 3/16/2023 11:42 pm