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Diaphone Jim · 6/17/2023 3:44 pm

A 20' by 60' house is a fairly common size. just slightly bigger even more so.
Twenty or thirty guests would seem pretty crowded.
The worn out fishing boat that sunk this week off Greece was about that size and had between 500 and 750 men. women and children crammed on board.

griff · 6/17/2023 4:32 pm

Grim.

xoxoxoBruce · 6/19/2023 2:50 am

Fish food, I read the boat rolled over so there was no band playing while people said good bye like Titanic
There must have been terror in the storm then sudden disaster.
Boats and airplanes, if there's a problem you just can't get out and walk home.

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Diaphone Jim · 6/22/2023 11:59 am

"Capsized" again.
Photos show about 100 men (all the survivors were male) on the deck, leaving 500 or more people in the hold.
Common sense says it simply sunk, not over-turned.
Both it and the Titan (probably) are about 17,000 feet down.
Differences between all aspects of the events are immense.

Diaphone Jim · 6/22/2023 2:29 pm

So: Five billionaires probably spent a millisecond of distress in the middle of a great, exciting adventure.
700 or so men, women and children ended journeys of varying lengths and terrors with days of wallowing in shit, piss and vomit, seasick, hungry and thirsty.
I wonder if the press conference admiral's heart goes out to their families.

TheNeverWas · 6/22/2023 8:50 pm

Diaphone Jim wrote:
700 or so men, women and children ended journeys of varying lengths and terrors with days of wallowing in shit, piss and vomit, seasick, hungry and thirsty.

Yeah, no, fuck that shit; I bet the wifi was down the whole time.

tw · 6/23/2023 8:05 am

News services are reporting that police and coast guard, in many countries, are simply towing such boats back out to sea. In some cases have literally run over rubber rafts. Then note that the crewmen are not wearing masks. Indicating they are doing this with the approval of higher government officials.

In another report, a man called his brother saying he did not want to stay on that boat. But mafia types, using guns, machetes, and knives, refused to let anyone disembark. His brother then died on that capsized boat.

Says much about what/who is behind all these deaths. Estimated in the tens of thousands. Each of 700 people paid about $4,500 for their death trip.

glatt · 6/23/2023 11:28 am

I saw a news blurb that Google is starting an AI that is going to target money laundering, and it should put pressure on all sorts of illegal activity around the world, including human trafficking. That would be nice, if true. The idea is it will cut down dramatically on false positives that plague the industry now, which means when it raises a red flag on a transaction, the hope is that it will be accurate and not waste law enforcement resources chasing down false leads. I hope it puts these assholes out of business.

Flint · 6/23/2023 12:39 pm

They always debut intrusive new crime-fighting technology on a class of people we don't have an issue with their civil rights being blurred, quickly followed up by the government using the technology on all of us, from a secret data center that is in operation for 20 years before a whistleblower breaks the news story and then dies in a car bomb.

glatt · 6/23/2023 1:07 pm

You might be right.

Diaphone Jim · 6/23/2023 7:35 pm

Sorry, but none of that has anything to do with the monumental difference between the two events.

tw · 6/23/2023 8:21 pm

glatt wrote:
I saw a news blurb that Google is starting an AI that is going to target money laundering,

Much of that data is dependent on the Swift Money transactive system. A system that is being bypassed more often now that it was weaponized.

Meanwhile it does not change an underlying problem. Everyone who comes by these dangerous channels knows (according to intervues) that it is that dangerous or worse. But in every case (as reported by researchers) their life is useless (even worse) if they stay where they are. High risk of death is less than what they face in their home countries.

What is a solution? Once upon a time, nations vetted immigratns by offering far more visa. That could be obtained before leaving. The problem is this hate of immigrants - who are among the most profductive people in their new country.

Restricting visas only make this problem worst.

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xoxoxoBruce · 6/24/2023 9:55 pm

Diaphone Jim wrote:
Sorry, but none of that has anything to do with the monumental difference between the two events.

Thread drift is an old and honorable tradition in the Cellar. Some of the most interesting discussions grew out of drifts.

The sub was estimated to go from failure to pancake in 0.2 milliseconds. Poor choices = bad endings.

The Refugee deaths were a drop in the bucket when you look a the thousands who died in exactly the same situation.
Over loaded boats the were beat up by storms or sank because overloaded they leaked faster than they could bail.
The often use boats that are unsafe, garbage, so they can just abandon them at the end.
Dead or missing = 3,771 in ’15, 5096 in ’16, 3139 in ’17, 2277 in ’18, 1510 in ’19, 1881 in ’20, 3231 in ’21, 1953 in ’22, and 959 so far in ‘23.

Capsize is not roll 180°, it's far enough to fill with water then it will usually sink in an upright position once submerged because of weight distribution. Battered by a violent storm with big waves small boats like that one can get leaned over 50° or 60° riding a big wave.
I always say planes and boats you can't get out and walk home.

Diaphone Jim · 6/26/2023 12:28 pm

It is a good measure of media interest and competence that I have been unable to find the name of the worn-out fishing trawler that went down.
While no detail of the rubbernecking jaunt to the Titanic has been ignored, the current reporting is that the trawler was either the Andriana or the Adriana.

Happy Monkey · 6/26/2023 1:39 pm

Looks like Wikipedia is currently going with Andriana (citing courthousenews.com). But yes, very good point.

griff · 6/26/2023 4:01 pm

Happy Monkey wrote:
Looks like Wikipedia is currently going with Andriana (citing courthousenews.com). But yes, very good point.

Agreed

TheNeverWas · 6/26/2023 6:20 pm

Andriana

Welp, there goes this reference.

Diaphone Jim · 7/04/2023 12:05 pm

Not only did the press finally agree on Adriana for the name of the doomed boat, but finally ran a few stories detailing its final voyage,
Those details are worse than any imagined originally.
Greece bears nearly equal responsibility with the cartel that operated the murderous scheme and probably has several more at sea today.

TheNeverWas · 7/04/2023 7:55 pm

So, this reference is topical, again.

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xoxoxoBruce · 7/08/2023 10:13 am

I don't understand the quest for the name of the boat.
The size, construction, maybe the history, certainly the number of people and the circumstances of it's sinking.
But the boat is gone forever so the name is irrelevant.
Ah, I know, the name is a shortcut to refer to the incident. nevermind.

Diaphone Jim · 7/08/2023 11:05 am

No, the name of the boat was important because for a week or more the subject was of so little interest to the press that they didn't bother learning and publishing it.