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The A's, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and Pete Rose
Joseph Jefferson Jackson (July 16, 1887 – December 5, 1951), nicknamed "Shoeless Joe", was an American outfielder who played Major League Baseball (MLB) in the early 1900s. Although his .356 career batting average is the third highest in the history of Major League Baseball (MLB),[1] he is often remembered for his association with the Black Sox Scandal, in which members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox participated in a conspiracy to fix the World Series. As a result, Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis banned Jackson from baseball after the 1920 season. During the World Series in question, Jackson had led both teams in several statistical categories and set a World Series record with 12 base hits. Jackson's role in the scandal, his banishment from the game, and his exclusion from the Baseball Hall of Fame have been fiercely debated.
Pete Rose
In August 1989 (his last year as a manager and three years after retiring as a player), Rose was penalized with permanent ineligibility from baseball amidst accusations that he gambled on baseball games while he played for and managed the Reds; the charges of wrongdoing included claims that he bet on his own team. In 1991, the Baseball Hall of Fame formally voted to ban those on the "permanently ineligible" list from induction, after previously excluding such players by informal agreement among voters. After years of public denial, Rose admitted in 2004 that he bet on baseball and on the Reds.[2] The issue of his possible reinstatement and election to the Hall of Fame remains contentious throughout baseball.
Two brilliant players banned from baseball due to gambling accusations. Now MLB has approved moving the A's to Los Vegas. This follows the NFL Raiders move there and the NHL Golden Knights expansion and interesting immediate success.Gambling ads are flooding the airwaves, young men continue to play sports, and referees continue to be human. As long as gamblers remember that sports are entertainment not competition that's ok?
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I don't approve of the recent wave of permissive gambling laws that have casinos popping up everywhere. And the advertising. I know blah blah blah freedom, but people are addicted and it's destroying their lives. The casinos have deep pockets and I'm sure the donations to lawmakers had a lot to do with it.
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There are some good things about capitalism. John Fisher is not one of them.
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I'm an old man yelling at clouds...
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History was long ago that we are now doomed to repeat it.
Getting high on crack and fentanyl is also a destructive activity. Just like gambling. But since both enrich the right people, then we approve. Does not matter what you feel. What only matters are the people who decide this stuff is good.
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I think Jackson got screwed, and I know Rose did. He bet on his team to win, so what?
Pete Rose would play to win and demand his players play to win every damn game... no exceptions.
Every game was 110%, balls to the wall for Rose.
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xoxoxoBruce wrote:
I think Jackson got screwed, and I know Rose did. He bet on his team to win, so what?...
Baseball is a family spectator sport. By placing himself above the gambling rules, his actions sent a message to children in sports that if you become popular enough, you don't have to follow the rules.
The rules say no betting on any team one has influence over. That's to prevent collusion with others who have influence over teams and racketeering. Two can bet on their respective teams, one a small wager and the other a large wager. The small wager better can influence a loss while the large wager better makes a huge profit which is later shared with the small wager better; yet, they both only bet on their own teams.
Rose also placed himself above the government's income reporting rules. He did jail time, paid restitution and fines for income tax evasion after not reporting income from selling memorabilia and winnings from gambling on other sports.
Rose habitually lied to everyone and their children about the aforementioned and only came clean to sell a book he wrote about it.
Despite his low moral character, he still wants another shot at the baseball Hall of Fame based on his (faded) popularity.
Pete Rose is the Donald Trump of baseball. But hey, that's how it goes in the entertainment industry.
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He bet on his team to win, so what?
And corporate executives also should be allowed to do insider trading. So what? Its only a game.
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He bet on his team to win, so what?
And corporate executives also should be allowed to do insider trading. So what? Its only a game.
It's absolutely nothing like insider trading, get your head out of your ass.
He bet his money on his team. If they win he gets his money plus back. If they lose he loses his own money.
As a player or coach it behooves him to do all he can to win.
Betting on the other team is a whole different kettle of fish.
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