How to make crimes legal.  It is legal if it is done in performance of his duties.  That is intentionally so vague as to make legal all criminal acts by a president.

Unfortunately we are looking at a US that is slowly becoming Nazi.  We even imprisoned and tortured 800 people in Guantanamo.  So that Gestapo tactics could be used on what was almost all innocent people.  Something well less than 30 were maybe guilty.  But even that will never be known.  Since Nazis subverted the courts (legal action).  Even extremist in the Cellar said that was good.

  Give imperial power to a president who has said (in campaign rallies) that he does not like democracies.  He even praised Putin by condemning all American intelligence agencies.  And has said he will replace Civil Service with political appointees.  Since civil service is somehow corrupt like Hillary and Joe.

He said he can kill someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected president.   That was true.  But now it is legal. This Trump Supreme Court (especially a corrupt Justice Thomas) loves this future - a despot American government.  Now that Pearl Harbor style attacks other nations with no justified reason (ie Mission Accomplished) is acceptable.

One can understand why both Russia and China are concerned.

Sinclair broadcasting is now doing same.  Their corporate headquarters are writing fake new stories that all Sinclair TV stations must broadcast, word for word - no variation,  as if fact.  Just like in 1930 Nazi Germany.  And so the fake news story about Biden soiling himself at a campaign rally is reported as if true by almost 100 TV stations.

Today is what happened in 1930s Germany.  It is scary.  And as it happened in 1930 Germany, the moderates have an oblivious response.
 

This is like, the thing that Nixon tried to do, right?

eta: I thought that was remebered as a national disgrace..?

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Had Nixon been prosecuted, then the Supreme Court would have a problem exonerating Presidents from all criminal actions.  A legal standard was never established.

I always though Ford made a major mistake.  He said he did not want the distraction.  Silly.  Ford would  not be involved.  That would have been 100% on the Justice Department.   the President would have no business being involved.  So I find Ford's reasoning bogus.

Rumors said Ford and Nixon made a deal.  Nixon would resign and Ford would be President.  Then Ford would pardon Nixon.  That theory is reasonable (a hypothesis).  But facts (experimental evidence) just don't exist.

I always thought is was strange that Spiro Agnew was driven from office for corruption.  Back then, Congress had many more moderates.  I always suspected they knew Nixon would never complete his second term.  And clearly knew Spiro Agnew was not presidential material.  So his corruption was exposed to drive his from office.  And a man that almost everyone in Congress had respect for (Gerald Ford) was given the job.  Expecting him to be president.

Notice a major difference.  Back then Congress was full of moderates.  Even Democrat and Republican families would join in Christmas dinners.  That could never happen in a nation that is becoming more like 1930 Germany.  Because so many are ordered what to think by professional liars.  And hate justifies all conclusion.

I am quite struck by a BBC interview of Steve Bannon.  He was so adversarial and so much in denial that I thought I was watching the reincarnation of Heinrich Himmler.
 

What is an official act will be determined by a radicalized Supreme Court. If the President is DJT be assured that bar will be much lower than if it is a random milquetoast Democrat. If a President gives an "illegal" order to assassinate a foreign leader, would that not be an official act? If a soldier refuses such an illegal order he is in deep trouble under the new monarchy.

...For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other... -Thomas Paine
 

Anon wrote:

I read THE WHOLE THING:

... official acts...
 

Good job.  117 pages is a commitment, and I haven't done it.

"official acts" is the whole thing, and is a pretty big loophole. 

They say this is specifically a ruling in response to:

"The indictment alleged that after losing that election, Trump conspired to overturn it by spreading knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the collecting, counting, and certifying of the election results."

How is that an "official act" in any way?  But this Supreme Court is cool with Presidents doing this.

griff wrote:

…If a President gives an "illegal" order to assassinate a foreign leader, would that not be an official act? If a soldier refuses such an illegal order he is in deep trouble under the new monarchy….

Meh, Biden said that soldiers refusing to be human guinea pigs for experimental vaccines (against COVID) should be given dishonorable discharges for refusing to obey orders. That’s the only type of discharge reported to the FBI data base and it carries the weight of a felony conviction. He may have done it if he knew then that he couldn’t be prosecuted later for coercing involuntary human medical experiments as an official act.

Edit: Typo
 

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Anon wrote:

 Biden said that soldiers refusing to be human guinea pigs for experimental vaccines (against COVID) should be given dishonorable discharges for refusing to obey orders.  

If well proven COVID vaccines made us guinea pigs, then we are all guinea pigs for all drugs.  Demonstrated is how subjective (anti-American) lies can be spun into fear.  Since extremists use emotions to prove something.   Extremists are, therefore, a greatest threat to any nation.

Every drug can be called experimental when one ignores numerical facts and statistics.  Same reasoning also proved that global warming does not exist.  "I feet it is true.  Therefore vaccines also create autism."  A blond bimbo, with nothing more than a high school education, said that.  So it must be true.  Any good extremist knows that.

Covid vaccines were only a threat to human existence when one is emotional; not using intelligence.

Every day that one gets into a car, he is a guinea pig.  Using extremist rhetoric, emotional fears, and spin.  Moderates use intelligence and perspective.
 

tw wrote:

Anon wrote:

 Biden said that soldiers refusing to be human guinea pigs for experimental vaccines (against COVID) should be given dishonorable discharges for refusing to obey orders.  

If well proven COVID vaccines made us guinea pigs, … 

They weren’t well proven at the time Biden said that. They were still experimental requiring FDA waivers for emergency use. Your argument implies that the end justifies the means and exemplifies why moderates of your persuasion are considered ineffectual.
 

Your argument is again all in hindsight and irrelevant to what transpired during the circumstances of that time. The military ended up asking those who left service over it to come back . Deny, deny, deny and counter-accuse is all you’ve got. You’re a disgrace to moderates everywhere. Most ineffectual.