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1/19/2024 3:38 pm  #1


Gaza and history

History has long and repeatedly demonstrated uncivil intentions of hateful extremists called Likud.  Their intentions first demonstrated in the Egypt Israeli peace deal that gave the Sinai back to Egypt.  The Israeli army literally had to drag right wing Likud and other extremists from their illegal settlements.  Extremists then defined their strategic objective.  Never again.

Sharon then decided to steal south Lebanon in 1982.  Israeli Prime Minister repeatedly ordered him to stop.  So he was consolidating his positions.   Did not stop until he got to Beirut.  Whereby he was doing in Beirut what is now happening in Gaza.

We know Sharon first for 'reasons why' Israeli fighter planes and then torpedo boats intentionally attacked the USS Liberty.  American spooks are quite blunt about this.   Only reason an Israeli torpedo did not kill some American 50 intelligence people in one room.  That torpedo exploded on a main support beam on the outside hull  

Hezbollah was created because of what Sharon did.  Hezbollah demonstrated superior military abilities compared to Lebanon's army.  So Hezbollah protects Lebanon from Israeli right wing extremists.  Who have no fear of stealing any land.  On the lies that God gave them that land.

Sharon even enabled the massacre of over 300 civilians in two refugee camps.  Five years later, in a famous speech, proudly proclaims himself righteous and good.  Having forced the US military to rescue thousands of Palestinians trapped and attacked by Israel in Beirut.

Carter successfully got Israel to sign peace agreements with both Jordan and Egypt.  Right wing (anti-Israeli) Israeli extremists hated it.  But then moved into the West Bank  and East Jerusalem to steal Palestinian lands for the past 30 years.  A crime according to International law.  But then civility is never demonstrated by right wing extremists.  Where might makes right.

In order to steal that land, Israeli extremism constantly undermined the PLO - who purpose is clearly stated  and demonstrated - to make peace.  Since Carter's days.  Peace means Likud cannot keep stealing the land.

Clinton came so close to a peace deal.  Shattered Dreams of Peace.  Having successfully manipulated (forced) Netanyahu into working with the Palestinians.  Contrary to Netanyahu's right wing hate based in righteousness rather than logic.

PLO was intentionally undermined in Gaza.   Israel successfully manipulated the situation (undermined the PLO) so as to facture Palestinian leadership.  That created Hamas.  Who used violence to drive the PLO (Fatah) from Gaza.  Hamas (like Hezbollah) was created by Israeli actions.

Egypt, Jordan, and other nations warned Netanyahu months previously that Hamas was planning a massive attack.  No problem.  Netanyahu and even a worse right wing Defense minister intentionally ignored it.  For reasons that remain suspicious.  In part, because Israelis along the Gaza border mostly do not support (vote for) Likud.  Many organizations (Israeli moderates) there were constantly working with and helping Gaza Palestinians who were also moderates.  Sometimes collecting Palestinians from the Gaza border to take them to Israeli hospital for emergency treatment.

For example, most of the balloons that provided radar coverage of the Gaza border were down or not operational.  How strange.  After both Egypt and Jordan warned Israel of the upcoming attack.

Irony is that Gaza Palestinian's 'best friends' suffered most in this Hamas attack.  But then never associate Hamas with the almost 2 million Palestinians who may drive out Hamas given the opportunity.

Moderate Israelis, Likud Nazi like Israelis, Nazi like Hamas, and moderate Palestinians have nothing in common.  Honest discussion must always talks about each separate from the other three.

Netanyahu, et al made it almost impossible for moderate Palestinians to have any voice or power in Gaza.   Made it easier for Hamas to recruit non-extremist Palestinians.  All part of a larger program to maintain hate and violence.  So that Israeli extremists can keep stealing land.  To even justify ethnic cleansing.

One must admit.  Their long term strategy is genius.

Netanyahu, et al has zero interest in rescuing hostages held by Hamas.  Any hostage killed, even by Israeli bombing, gets blamed on all Palestinians - not just Hamas.  Extremists dump all Palestinians in the same pile with Hamas.  Israeli army is told, in essence, to kill anyone who is not an Israeli soldier.

Three israelis escaped from their Hamas guards.  Hid out for three days.  Even wrote, in massive Yiddish letters, on a building, an expression begging for rescue.  When they finally saw Israeli troops, then raised a white flag and approached.  Asking for rescue in Yiddish.  And were shot by Israeli soldiers.  Who were acting on guidelines promoted by a Likud government.  Likud has no interest in rescuing hostages.  Therefore those three Israeli men were considered Hamas.  Were shot while holding a white flag.

Why were any hostages released?  American pressure force Israel to accept a cease fire.  Hamas was willing.  Only Netanyahu, et al were last to finally accept a cease fire.  Forced to by subtle American pressure.  But again, Likud has no interest in rescuing hostages.  So what is their strategic objective?

Those hostages are only collateral damage to justify a massacre and ethnic cleansing of 2 million Palestinians.  To cleanse the land of a surplus population.  (Ironically sounds similar to 1930s Germany.)  Using intentional disinformation that any Palestinians will always be Hamas.

First Palestinians were driven from north Gaza.  Then anyone who remained was either shot or put into a Guantanamo type prison.   If they remained in their homes, then must be evil.

Likud is committed to stealing land by any means.  Netanyahu's intent is to steal all of Gaza.  Literally bombing  refugee camps.  Where north Gazans were told to flee to be safe.  Over the past three months, anyone who did not see Likud's objectives was daft.  Israeli intentions are to drive all Gaza Palestinians into Egypt.  Even deny refugees food and water.  Until American demands finally forced them to let some tens truck in.   When aid agencies say they need hundreds every day.

The UN has never had more staff killed in any other conflict.  Something well over 140 UN Staffers gave been killed by Israeli attacks.

Because some 1,000 Israelis were killed by evil Hamas, then at least 24,000 moderate (innocent Palestinians) were killed.  That number will increase.  It already may be 7,000 or 8,000 higher.  Because Hamas had maybe 20,000 fighters.  Who existed only because Israel made life in Gaza so bad; made recruiting easy.

This week, Netanyahu finally and publically admitted to their 30 year strategy.  Palestinians will be driven from Gaza and the West Bank.  There will be no Palestinian nation. Israel now admits that ethnic cleansing is their intention.

Obvious some thirty years ago had one make conclusions from their actions.  Their strategic objective was always to take back the land that God gave to Jews.  Right wing, anti-humanity logic.  The obvious intention of Likud and Netanyahu.

BTW, who endorsed what Israel is doing?  Dictators love actions that intentionally violate human right and international law.  Dictators love people who would subvert democracy.  As Netanyahu is doing, intentionally, to the Israeli Supreme Court.  Trump fully endorses this ethnic cleansing.  All part of hate that defines his presidential campaign and actions as a president.

He can even rape a woman, and still be elected president.   And is therefore good and righteous among evangelical Christians.  Who demonstrate same attitudes promoted by Likud.   Anti-humanity people are not only found in Israel.  Hate of others - to impose their beliefs on all others - is a common factor in right wing, anti-humanity extremists.

No wonder the Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists also support Likud type extremism in American politics.

These are becoming scary times.  :Likud intentions have always been obvious.  Just this week, were publicly proclaimed.



 

 

1/19/2024 5:23 pm  #2


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 Freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose.
 
 

1/25/2024 3:49 pm  #3


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Qatar, that is doing most negotiations to end ethnic cleansing of 2 million innocent Palestinians.  And a moderate and responsible third party.  And who is doing most all negotiations to get hundreds of hostages released.  Has just recently and publicly criticized the only obstructions to all such negotiations.  Likud - the Israeli party of hate and extremism.  And Netanyahu.  Whose entire objective is to drive all Palestinians from the land in violation of international law.  With contempt even for Palestinian women and children.  Using disinformation to proclaim righteousness.

Hate demonstrated.

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7/24/2024 5:45 pm  #4


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Netanyahu is obviously an enemy of mankind.  So many facts says why.  For example, throughout the world, a leader in power, longer than 10 years, is often corrupt.  Isreali Supreme Court said he is guilty.  But being an extremist, he has managed to even silence that Court.  He must remain in power (just like Putin) so as to not end up in an Israeli prision.

He was told Hamas would be attacking; by so many nations and other sources.  And  ignored it.  That alone is suspicious.  Especially since the attack would be in a part of Israel where he is very unpopular.

Even four of five monitoring stations, necessary in  the Gaza border were not operation.

Since he cannot get support from moderates, then he runs to religious extremists for support.  Extremists (even religious ones) so often acts in a Satanistic manner.  Are so despicable to as to constantly encourage war (ie steal Palestinian lands).  Then keep their young out of military service.  Forcing the children of moderates to fight all battles.

We know Netanyahu is fully advocating ethnic cleansing.  Even restricting food from 2 million innocent victims of his extremism.  Forcing them to flee where Hamas is located.  And then killing patriotic Palestinians. Claiming they were just in the way of attacks on Hamas.

Have long since lost track of this number.  Long ago, 30 innocent Palestinians died for every one Israel.  If not already there, that number can be expected to approach 100.

We also know Netanyahu has done everything he could to use this war for political gain.  Since he is probably a felon (according to Israeli law).  So he uses a "Wag the Dog" strategy to politically protect himself.

For example, he has done nothing to rescue any hostages.  They do not matter.  Some, who even managed to escape, were killed by Israeli soldiers.  Israeli army has no plan to rescue any hostages.  Every chance to negotiate their release has been stifled (in places such as Cairo and Abu Dhabi) by obstructionist Israeli conditions.

Only his political power matters.  As long as hostages exist, then extremists will continue to support him.

Israeli generals have done something never done in a stable democracy.  Generals publically criticized their leader, during a war.  Accused of having no strategic objective.  We all know from fundamental justification for any war, a strategic objective must always exist.  That same mistake is why America was defeated in both Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Netanyahu has also encouraged another war with Hezbollah.  Hezbollah exists only because of right wing Israeli actions.  Including Sharon's "consolidating my positions in Lebanon" until he was in Beruit.  Hezbollah only exists because Israeli "anti-Israelis" (called Likud) forced it to be created.

Netanyahu is so evil as to finally admit what has always been Likud's agenda.  No two nation solution. They even (constantly) undermined a friend - Palestinians call Fatah. Likud Zionists (ever since the peace treaty with Egypt) always intended to steal all lands in the West Bank and Gaza.  Saying that Palestinians should go back to where they came from.  It is called Zionism.  A clear perversion of what that word once meant.

Anyone with knowledge from this region now know another stable country, Jordan, is at risk due to Netanyahu's intentional ethnic cleansing.  Which is (unfortunately) encouraged by anti-humanity right wing Republicans in America.

Strangely enough, Netanyahu (last time it was reported) does not want Trump in power.  Ironically, Trump, who loves all despots (as he just confirmed again by praising Kim of North Korea), has a history of hating Netanyahu.

Maybe that is why Netanyahu is in America.  Trying to get right wing American extremists to change Trump's attitude.  Especially when Trump only makes decisions based upon what the last person  told him.

Victims here (current and future) are patriotic Palestinians, patriotic Israelis (especially those adjacent to Gaza and Lebanon, Lebanese civilians, and now (maybe) the King of Jordan.  Even Egypt has built walls to keep Netanyahu's hate out of Egypt

We know this much.  Netanyahu is only interested in continuing the war in Gaza, may invade Lebanon (when he needs that increase in domestic approval ratings), needs right wing extremists (in America) to support him, and is now indicted (along with defense minister Yoav Gallant) as a war criminal.  The  International Criminal  Court has issued warrants for the arrest of both men.

He is now in America to shore up support from people who love his criminal activities. (And who also hate Ukraine.)  Love his fiery speech that even endorses ethnic cleansing.
 

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7/26/2024 11:53 am  #5


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Biden's support of the current Israeli invasion of, and war crimes in, Gaza wiped out any positive feelings I had toward him.
Now we have to see if Harris can rid herself of the taint.
  

 

7/27/2024 1:55 pm  #6


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'tain't easy. Her thoughts and prayers may be with the Palestinians; but, her bullets and bombs are with the Israelis. She's been towing the line on Biden's policy and probably won't be able to get out from under that just by paying lip service to the humanitarian crisis it helped create. Since Biden hasn't resigned, her past behavior suggests she won't be demonstrating she's any different in practice before the election. Any upcoming changes in policy will still be attributed to Biden.

OTOH, if Biden uses the Democratic National Convention to tender his resignation, then Harris would be able to put any policy of her own where her mouth is and possibly come out smelling like a rose. Biden could sniff her hair and let us know. The Democratic Party; however, doesn't want Harris having to tackle assuming the Presidency and running an election campaign simultaneously. That might be a bit much. After all, she's a girl.

 

7/27/2024 7:53 pm  #7


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Humphrey had a same problem.  As President, he would have ended the Vietnam war.  But could not openly say so when Johnson's VP.

Harris will clearly hold Netanyahu's feet to the fire if she is President.  That becomes obvious when watching the little things that she says.  She is playing it smart.  Not saying too much.  If saying too much, she will lose someone's support.

Netanyahu knows that.  So he has come to the US to manipulate American politics and his political situation. To repair his relations with Trump, and maintain his manipulation / support of Biden.

Remember, in Vietnam, Johnson was quietly negotiating with N Vietnam to end the war.  Only those with ears, close to the ground in Washington, knew that.  Nixon was one.  So he sent a message to N Vietnam. Telling them to not make that deal.   Nixon said he would give them a better deal.

That was treason.  And Nixon got away with it.  So that he could then say he had a secret plan to end the war.

His actual plan.  Double the number of dead American soldiers.  And then dump a military defeat on Ford.  Nixon is recorded on Watergate tapes telling Kissinger that he did not want to be the first American president to lose a war.  So he surrendered to N Vietnam in Paris.  Then got Ford to suffer a defeat.

We can be damn sure Trump will do anything he can to manipulate Gaza for his own advantage.  Netanyahu must maintain that war while playing Fatah, Hezbollah, Hamas, and others against one another.  He needs Trump to do similar to what Nixon did.  Knowing full well that Trump will do anything that is corrupt and despicable.  It looks like Netanyahu is ripe to cooperate with Trump.  While playing off Biden.  And taking measure of Harris.

All this because he must stay in power.  Even arrest warrants have been issued for Netanyahu by the International Criminal Court.  But those cannot be served on a sitting national leader.
 

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