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After reading this post on that other site it got me to thinking that the cellar is probably the place where the discussion and thinking is least likely to be influenced by bots and other nefarious agents.
That's all I've got at the moment. Still processing a lot.
Would welcome a discussion about the OP's points and the comments if anyone can stomach it. It seems like everything has been said in those comments and the post.
I've just noticed over the past few years that everything is getting weirder and weirder and more and more divisive. When we should have been making a fuss about the easy tampering of voting machines back during bush v gore we were all caught up in gay marriage. The red herrings just don't seem to stop.
Another thing I've noticed is the disappearance of "wholesome" porn. Just garden variety people having garden variety sex. Now everything is about one or more people being demeaned or belittled in some way with an emphasis on infidelity, black vs white, inadequacy, worthlessness, etc. Now before you go thinking that the algorithm is just giving me more of what I want or what I search for I browse with a vpn, private browser, and delete or deny all cookies.
Everything is getting smeared, turn to spirituality and find all the scandals from any religious order. It's the Muslims, the Catholics, the Evangelicals. The question is, is it actually as bad as it is made out to be in the media.
Well, who controls (owns) the media and what is their agenda? Clicks are the hook.
I've got to macht frei rn but will be back.
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There is a tremendous amount of anger out there and I think that we are well served to look at ourselves and simply try to be more kind in our everyday interactions in person and online.
At the same time, I think we are about to have an assault on our democracy and civil liberties, and we need to support the institutions who would help protect us from that. Subscribe to digital newspapers so they can shine a light on what is happening, support the ACLU. Also, get your financial house in order because there will be a very rocky road ahead. A lot of pain is coming for a lot of people. Not just them, but us too.
But I remind myself that This Too Shall Pass. Trump will die in a few years and we can persevere for that long. This is life, and it's a gift, so look for the day to day enjoyment even during the difficult time to come. Build connections. Work on friendships.
Social media is a useful tool. If you find quality content creators, they help cut through the 99% garbage that's out there, I think TikTok is the best of them. The algorithm is happy to send you junk, but you can also force its hand so you get more good recommendations. I'd be happy to share who I'm following.
This guy, is someone who makes a lot of sense and I've been watching him for the last year or so. He's moving to YouTube in light of the imminent TikTok ban (that the next president might suspend.)
20 minute video from a few days ago.
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Now seems like a good and useful time for smaller forums. I feel like we never really recovered from COVID. We were pounded with disinformation pretty hard then but maybe people would be more comfortable owning that reality now. The bot festival on Reddit in the run up to the election was dramatic and really ruined the user experience. Even in good times Reddit was a weird silo with a pretty active bot culture. There were bots selling bikes, pushing the 2nd Amendment, and opposing the 1st Amendment among countless other agendas.
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If a person learns a little about the inner workings of cars, it goes a long way towards keeping one from getting duped when taking the car in for servicing. If that learning occurred a long time ago, it’s a matter of keeping up with automotive advancements.
That’s where I am on this subject. I took the Reserve Officers Psychological Operations Course back in the 1970s and learned propaganda techniques, information analysis, source assessment…etc. Now it’s more a matter of keeping up with the technologies available so as to recognize them when they’re being employed. Underlying techniques remain largely the same; so, it’s not worrisome to me. It can be tedious though.
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Tedious is a good word for it. There is a tipping point where people just quit, hopefully they take glatt's advice and strengthen community interactions.
As far as our reality tv host goes, I'm trying to hit the sweet spot of only engaging when it matters. Like glatt I am sending money to the ACLU because they are positioned to stop or delay the worst ideas.
What newspapers are you guys reading? I'm thinking about subscribing again but really prefer a physical paper. When I move North, I'll be close enough to town to subscribe and pick up a physical paper so I've been leaning towards getting the Sunday NYT plus electronic access if that's a thing. I follow some journalists on Bly Sky but haven't decided if that's really useful yet.
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I do think quite a lot of our current problems are, at their core, a side effect of our brains not being able to cope with scale.
You've probably heard of Dunbar's number, or at least the concept if not the name. Our neocortex is evolutionarily able to cope with about 150 stable relationships, and I think that, in an attempt to surpass this number (which modern life pretty much insists that we do,) we have fragmented those 150 "people" into swappable categories from one thought to the next.
Take attractiveness, for example. If I go to my local grocery store and compare myself to everyone inside the store, I'm doing okay. If I instead watch a few hours of TV, I have inevitably been exposed to 150 people who are all far more attractive than average, and since I can't hold more people than that in my head at a time, I now feel, for awhile at least, like the ugliest person in my "tribe." If I want to be a painter, and I follow at least 150 painters on social media who are all objectively better than me, I no longer feel capable of succeeding as I scroll my feed. (If, on the other hand, I follow 150 artists who all work in different media, I maybe don't feel as bad, because I can fragment my consideration into just "painting" and thus have fewer than 150 superior people right in front of me at that exact moment.)
The same applies to politics. If I see 150 really outrageous political takes in a comment section, my brain tells me, in that moment, that I am alone, and should despair. If I go back to my preferred website and cleanse my brain with 150 takes I agree with, I no longer feel alone, but now I feel invincible, because everyone in the world (i.e., my tribe, which I have forced to have flexible membership, but which is still my entire world at any given moment) agrees with me.
Small communities--the kind where, most importantly, you get to know more than one facet of an individual--are a useful countermeasure to all this. Because maybe I still really am the ugliest person on the Cellar, but I can also look at this same set and say that I'm smarter than some of the 150, or more creative. A person that you actually get to know takes up a whole person-slot, rather than just holding a fragment of a slot for a fleeting moment.
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I really appreciate all of you and your thoughtful answers and approach to life in general. The points you are all making happen to be ones that I agree with and in a way that can be a problem. On one hand it is a bit of an echo chamber, on the other, it is much needed affirmation that There are critical thinking minded people.
I'm not sure we can make predictions at this time about the future. It is tempting and easy to underestimate the depths of depravity, greed, and cravenness of the people in positions of power.
Desiring to be in power should be an automatic DQ in the first place.
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footfootfoot wrote:
Desiring to be in power should be an automatic DQ in the first place.
This.