Sounds like "Lord of the Flies."

I want to know more about this threat of socialism. Could you name one socialist politician who has been elected in American politics in the last 50 years?

IC wrote:

Anytime Socialism has been permitted to run the state, death and economic dysfunction have ensued.   

It is socialism in France.  Not as exotic as done in Russia.  In Russia, when socialism failed, then communism took over.

Socialism is everyone shares in the wealth.  When socialism breaks down, then communism is everyone works to enrich the Central Committee of the Communist Party.

Fascism is similar to communism.  It also must deceive the masses so that the Central Committee prospers.  Both need a free press suppressed.

Every country has some variation of socialism.  Some work better than others.  Socialism appears to work best when dominated by free market forces.  So both France and the US (at different times) were the most productive nations in the world since WWII.  US mostly.  France for a short period.

The state of euphoria is also called the state of utopia.

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IC wrote:

Neither are the Scandanavian countries, which have some other "socialized" elements, but have competing political parties, democratic elections, and markets that are, in many ways, more open than those in the US.   

In socialism, there are political parties, democratic elections, and markets,  When those do not exist, that is the corruption of socialism.  Also called communism.  Extremists have changed their definition of socialism to 'Qnon manipulate' the many who wait to be told what to think.

No, Socialism -- as we see in every case -- is a system by which the ordinary citizen is impoverished and oppressed, while a Socialist elite and party insiders live lavishly at the public expense.  There is not one example where what you have suggested has happened.

 
ou have just described when socialism breaks down into communism.  Communism is intentionally confused with socialism.  A mantra that extremists are promoting to create fear.  Since Qnon type fear easily converts the less educated in Nazi like believers.

Communism is everyone works to enrich the Central Committer of the Communist Party.  Socialism never does that.  Definition of socialism make that obvious.  But if one is brainwashed by Qnon or by Communism hyperbole, then one is ordered to believe that communism is socialism.  Are told they are prospering because the party will provide everything.  The party orders everyone to believe a lie - that it is somehow socialism.

Same lies are being promoted in America to also promote hate.  Communism and socialism are two completely different concepts.  Socialism is more apparent in France and Scandinavia.  In socialism, people pay massive more taxes (compared to Americans) and get more benefits.   None of 'real world' socialism is related to dictatorships that are called communism.

The book "Animal Farm" makes it obvious.  Clearly you did not read it.  But worse, recited is what extremists are ordering everyone to believe.

"socialized" elements cannot pay for themselves.

Total nonsense. Socialized medicine in those more socialistic countries and in Britain do pay for themselves.  Paid for by higher taxes.

In America, only the most naive think American taxes are high.  But again, disinformation only comes from extremist myths.  Americans pay lowest taxes in the western world.

Communism means no democracy, no markets, and only one party.  Socialism is not that.  Except where extremist rhetoric now targets the most naive with new spin.
 

Spare us.

"Stand back and stand by."
"It will be wild"










Paranoia? My personal reaction is profound disappointment.


 

IC: Tell us a little about yourself.

Sorry dude, I’m on a strict no trolls diet. You are not adding any value so I posted some links to basic ideas which someone as dumb as you’re pretending to be would apparently have never confronted.

“Hungary’s key lesson is you don’t protect democracy by talking about democracy — you protect democracy by protecting people. Only a democracy that works for the people is sustainable.”


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/23/trump-autocrat-elections-00191281

“That’s why labeling Trump and Orbán and their supporters as moral degenerates, or even Nazis, is tactically dysfunctional. Some of their voters are hardcore racists, but many aren’t. In fact, one of the often-neglected powers of successful radical right populists is their capacity to bring together a broad group of disillusioned voters.“

griff wrote:

No.

griff wrote:

…the desire to keep pushing back every time a voice we don't know rehashes the old arguments just isn't there. …

I’m glad the second quote above clarified that first quote; ‘cause, I thought you might be pregnant.
 

It was a simple question.  Asking for knowledge and perspective.  Why then did you take a defensive attitude?  Refuse to contribute useful facts and experience?  Nothing in that question is a threat to your person.  The question is the purpose here.  To provide new facts and what may be a new viewpoint.


 

"Some are intimidated by credentials or experience."
I am willing to take that chance. Then I'll have a reason not to read your posts anymore.