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11/07/2024 7:40 am  #1


America has spoken

So as the title suggests, the US election is over and the votes have been cast.

72,652,827 votes cast 50.8% of the vote went to Trump

This from a man who has been found guilty of 34 counts of felony charges of falsified business accounts
(ie) fraud
Been found guilty of sexual abuse (abet only in a civil court) however compensation will have to be paid in millions to the woman concerned.
During his first term in office he was found have made (fact checkers documented) 30,573 false or misleading claims anywhere between 6 to 21 per day depending on where you read.

Can someone over the pond explain to me why this man was even allowed to stand and run as President

 

11/07/2024 8:00 am  #2


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I don't think the Constitution says felons can't run.  But I could be wrong, and there might be some language in there.  The founding fathers had faith in future generations and didn't think they had to spell out every possible scenario.

 

11/07/2024 8:11 am  #3


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Clicks are his superpower. I won't be clicking any for a while. Journalism failed. The bot armies have receded from X and Reddit and people should be feeling stupid about engaging with them. 


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

11/07/2024 9:05 am  #4


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glatt wrote:

I don't think the Constitution says felons can't run.  .

  The Constitution is even vague about what is treason.  That is why we are suppose to have a Supreme Court that defines this stuff. Based in facts; not emotions.  Sometimes does not (ie Dread Scott).


 

Last edited by tw (11/07/2024 9:10 am)

 

11/07/2024 5:23 pm  #5


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be-bop wrote:

…Can someone over the pond explain to me why this man was even allowed to stand and run as President

For the ratings. The Office of the President is our latest reality TV show.

THAT’S ENTERTAINMENT!
 

 

11/08/2024 7:49 pm  #6


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How many of us will be told, "Your Fired".  That suddenly makes us all apprentices.
 

 

11/09/2024 10:21 am  #7


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tw wrote:

How many of us will be told, "Your Fired".  That suddenly makes us all apprentices.
 

They best not be talkin' 'bout My Fired. They can keep My Fired out of their filthy mouth or I'll smack 'em in the head!
 

 

11/11/2024 8:10 pm  #8


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be-bop wrote:

Can someone over the pond explain to me why this man was even allowed to stand and run as President

He did tax cuts for the rich. This is like having a genie in a bottle that grants infinite wishes.
 


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2/18/2025 9:27 am  #9


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The total chaos Trump and his administration of Deadbeats has caused in the short number of weeks in power has even astounded me.
The countries he has pissed off so far 

Canada, Mexico, Ukraine, Germany, France, UK, Denmark, Palestine (Gaza and the west Bank ), Egypt, Jordan, Greenland, and the list goes on.
He's even putting pressure on Romania for them to go easy on Andrew Tate (fellow sex offender).
About the only fuckers that are happy are the Russians
WTF 

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2/18/2025 2:42 pm  #10


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I'm afraid to say it publicly but TRUMP SUX!!!!!!!!!


I Love my country, I fear the government.
 
 

2/18/2025 6:00 pm  #11


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I went to an Indivisible protest in Philly. I’m likely identified and on list(s). I’m too old to wait for the Nazis to come to me, I’m going to them.


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

2/18/2025 6:56 pm  #12


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be-bop wrote:

… About the only fuckers that are happy are the Russians WTF 

TBF, in light of all the Russian men who are dying in the war, a lot of young Russian women are becoming available. We don’t want to lose out on that.

 

2/19/2025 7:17 am  #13


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My new neighbors up North got out despite the cold and fresh snow. Pretty place for a protest.
Adirondackers protest Trump administration actions and Elon Musk | NCPR News

 

Last edited by griff (2/19/2025 7:18 am)


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

2/21/2025 12:59 pm  #14


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We are in the early stages of what may be a successful coup.
A group of rich white men fronted, but not led, by Donald Trump has turned a narrow electoral victory into a frenzy of grabbing control of every level of the US government.
With workable majorities in the Congress and the Supreme Court at their beck and call and total access to the White House, this cabal has outsmarted the American populace (and the Constitution too so far) and is on the way to cementing power.
It is now just a race between an irreversible takeover and what resistance may develop.
They are ahead right now.

 

2/21/2025 2:49 pm  #15


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Simply view every American company that started failing.  In every case, business school graduates took over.  Dennys was once a hottest stock on Wall Street.  Revolutionizing diners and restaurants.  When TW Enterprises took over, they implemented cost controls. And management that knew nothing about food and food services.   Management decisions from spread sheets.  In ten years, most all Dennys were gone.  But top management enriched themselves.  The purpose of a company according to business schools.

Musk's "geniuses" are only dong what Trump always does.  Cut costs.  Have no idea how the work gets done.  Or why (for example) a civil service is so productive.  His bean counters (communists - also called despots) are experts because they use paper to make all decisions.  Have no idea what patriots are doing. 

And so, for example,  they fired all experts who protect and maintain this nation's nuclear weapon systems.  But then Putin is a friend.  An honest man.  Trump said so in Helsinki in a press conference.  With Putin standing right (actually left) next to him.  Anti-Americans.  Doing exactly what Trump has done his entire life.

Remember - and constantly noted: Trump has never run a single profitable company.  Not one.  And yet, praises Al Capone.  Who did same to enrich himself and close allies.  Same is taught in business schools.

We must cut costs in government.  While giving tax cuts to the richest people.  And eliminate all corporate taxes.  While enriching this nation's least productive companies using tariffs.

Whereas a business school graduate is essential as the CFO, he is also a greatest threat to all of America if a CEO. This is also why finance people must be heavily regulated.

Fortunately we have this thing called bankruptcy that eliminated such people.  Either before they do damage to America.  Or too late so that everyone must lose their job.  Or third, patriotic American companies from other nations buy out the shell created by business school graduates.  Need an example?  Almost all American tire companies.  Most of the divisions in General Electric.  America cannot even design a build a reliable Navy ship or Coast Guard cutter.  All those even had to be scrapped.

We desperately need Nippon Steel to save US Steel.  If it can, at all, be saved.  Since US Steel has been anti-American since the mid 1960s.  When even Kennedy confronted them for doing bad things to America.

So many, who for decades in the Cellar denied this, I suspect, are finally conceding a reality.  Even the murder of seven Challenger astronauts did not yet make this obvious enough.  Or Lordstown.  GM was going to innovate - so the MBAs said.  Finally made an EV.  Lordstown is now gone because GM refused to innovate over 20 years ago.  Cost controlled were even the manufacturing of lithium batteries.  A technology firrst developed in American in the early 1960s.  Gone because it required innovation.  Top GM management are bean counters.  How many even have driver's licenses?

GM today being among the more anti-American companies.  GM management will not innovate until a Federal regulation requires it.  Even though their employees try to innovate.

BTW who went to Lordstown claiming to save their jobs?  Trump.  A business school graduate just like George Jr.  Where is Trump now when it comes to acknowledging reality.  Business school graduates never admit their mistakes.  Since their mistakes only appear in the economy five, ten and twenty years later.  Their supporters often forget anything that is three months or a year ago.

America has not yet spoken.  As demonstrated by so many who love the destruction of America.  Do not understand why things must get tens of times worse before Americans (especially the many adults who are still children) finally have reality forced upon them.  Need we cite the lessons of Afghanistan?  Another war that Ameica was defeated in.  Bean counters even screwed that up.

Cite lessons from history?  Similar anti-Americans loved a lie called Vietnam.  And then Deja-Vue - a same lie in iraq.  Trump knows which Americans know only what a tweet orders them to believe.  As if they might understand (learn from) a lie that promoted 6 January.

No way to educate such people until they successfully "fuck things up".  Words right from an extremist. It is what he wanted.  So he too was a Trump supporter.
 

Last edited by tw (2/21/2025 2:56 pm)

 

2/21/2025 7:57 pm  #16


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Americans are fickle.

 

2/22/2025 11:02 am  #17


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Diaphone Jim wrote:

We are in the early stages of what may be a successful coup.
A group of rich white men fronted, but not led, by Donald Trump has turned a narrow electoral victory into a frenzy of grabbing control of every level of the US government.
With workable majorities in the Congress and the Supreme Court at their beck and call and total access to the White House, this cabal has outsmarted the American populace (and the Constitution too so far) and is on the way to cementing power.
It is now just a race between an irreversible takeover and what resistance may develop.
They are ahead right now.

 
I’m beginning to see Americans become more resolute. I think the pushback will be effective if a little too slow to prevent long term issues.

My question is: When Trump flees to Russia, who goes with him?


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

2/22/2025 12:22 pm  #18


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griff wrote:

...I’m beginning to see Americans become more resolute. I think the pushback will be effective if a little too slow to prevent long term issues....

The lion cares not about the thoughts of sheep.

griff wrote:

...My question is: When Trump flees to Russia, who goes with him?

A whimsical extrapolation considering Armed Forces recruitment is at its highest level in the past 15 years since Trump took office again. Not to mention that Trump is purging those leaders in the now liberal officers' corps, who may selectively support and defend the Constitution to fit their own agendas, while replacing them with trusted leaders who will follow ALL lawful orders which is what the new recruits want to see. This is sound political strategy in preparing for foreign wars. Trump doesn't want to be plagued with dissenting generals like Obama was.

Until Trump's term is ended, it's more likely Putin will flee to the USA and Trump will put him in charge of attacking the cartels in Mexico. Ha!




 

 

2/22/2025 3:42 pm  #19


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Anon wrote:

 Not to mention that Trump is purging those leaders in the now liberal officers' corps, who may selectively support and defend the Constitution to fit their own agendas, while replacing them with trusted leaders who will follow ALL lawful orders which is what the new recruits want to see.  

How curious.  Right wing extremists in the military loved Guantanamo.  So that Gestapo tactics could be used on some 750 innocent prisoners.   In violation of American laws and the Constitution.  Why Guantanamo?  So that they could do anything they wanted. Especially torture. Were not held accountable even by the military's JAG Corp.

How curious.  Same extremist in the military declared a My Lai massacre as legitimate.

 

Last edited by tw (2/22/2025 3:42 pm)

 

2/22/2025 4:22 pm  #20


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That was then, this is now. Now Guantanamo is used to deport undesirable illegal aliens. Nice of Obama and Biden to keep the place ready for all these years.

 

2/23/2025 7:28 am  #21


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Anon wrote:

 This is sound political strategy in preparing for foreign wars.

 

 I'm gonna call you on this bit. It is sound strategy for foreign wars but it's more likely intended for American streets.


If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis Brandeis
 

2/23/2025 9:43 am  #22


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They go hand in hand. When this country acts internationally, there’s always a domestic faction that will react to it (we’re seeing that with federal enforcement of immigration laws and US policy on Palestine). The President has the authority to use the US Armed Forces domestically when the States either can’t; or, won’t act to enable enforcement of laws or the States impede enforcement.

These provisions are covered in the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

2/23/2025 2:32 pm  #23


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Anon wrote:

Now Guantanamo is used to deport undesirable illegal aliens.

Somebody, without any facts, declared them undesirable.  Not one fact is presented.  They are just arrested and deported where no laws can protect them.  Then extremist say this is good.

Same happened to over 800 prisoners.  Held in Guantanamo for decades without any rights.  Just like the Gestapo did.  Back when Americans were lying about over 700 innocent people in Guantanamo. Even advoated torture - just like the Gestapo. 

We have no idea how many thousands are being held there.  Even law enforcement has no idea who is there.  Or why.  All we have is hearsay from government extremists.  Who even fire immigration judges.  When we need hundreds more.

Somehow you know more because extremists say so?  Somehow that is honesty?  Right back to the same lies and illogic that said Saddam had WMDs.  Deja Vue.  Just like lies that justified Vietnam.  And the wasting of 50,000 Americans in that lie.  And 5,000 Americans in Iraq.  Another extremist lie. 

I feel he is an enemy.  In countries run by despots, than is always proof.  But then Trump loves Putin and other despots.  Even admires Al Capone.  Why then need we protect the right of immigrants?  Extremist use emotions to prove their righteousness.

As another has so accurately noted.  The Constitution is never about your rights.  It is always about the right of others.  Extremists forget that to promote lies.  Such as reasoning that says "Me, Me, Me".  And screw them.
 

 

2/23/2025 2:35 pm  #24


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Anon wrote:

The President has the authority to use the US Armed Forces domestically when the States either can’t; or, won’t act to enable enforcement of laws or the States impede enforcement..

How curious.   Posse Comitatus now justified because a president says breaking the law is justified if he only thinks it is good.  Of course it is good for him.  Just ask every despot in history.  They also used that (your) logic.

 

 

2/23/2025 3:03 pm  #25


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It’s actually several other Acts that give the President emergency powers. The Posse Comitatus Act limits what the President can do pursuant to those other authorizations. That’s why I cited it. Overstepping is actionable by Congress.  Other Presidents have used emergency powers with which they could suspend just about all civil rights. It’s not a reliable indicator of intent to illegally use those powers. If those powers are used legally and you still disagree with it, change the laws instead of bitching and moaning about it like a bunch of whiny children.

 

 

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