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10/16/2025 3:15 pm  #1


Tragedies at Sea

Final report is out of the cause of the deep sea "tragedy" that instantly, painlessly squashed four rich men and one teenager in the midst of a great, very expensive, adventure over two years ago: Crappy engineering by one of them.
All the details are available.
Two days before that event, a worn out fishing boat sank in the Mediterranean Sea
 after days of terror and sickness, killing perhaps 700 refugees, most trapped in the hold.

Reporting of that incident was minimal then and hard to find now.
What was the name of the boat?
What is the Pakistani connection?

Last edited by Diaphone Jim (10/16/2025 3:17 pm)

 

10/16/2025 6:31 pm  #2


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The preliminary NTSB report was damning.  So blantantly accusatory what one need not read the final report.

Unfortunately what most read is only the conclusion one is suppose to believe.  Most reports do not include how damning those numbers really were.  For example, the front viewer port was only rated for (if I remember) 600 psi.  It was holding back 3000 psi.

Boeing recommended (if a remember) seven layers of carbon fiber.  Every Director of Engineering was constantly in direct confrontation with the owner / developer.   So Oceangate went through something like more than five chief engineers.

This Titan was listed as dive 81.  They forget to mention most all dives were in other Titans - not this one.  They just keep adding the same number to makethis one look like it was fully tested.

Two dives before this one, at about 300 feet from the surface, a large shattering of the hull occured.  So loud that recovery boats on the surge all heard it.  The owner insisted this was normal.

That Titan had a major hull failure that was something more than four feet long.  So the owner had the inside patched with fiberglass.  That failure was only noticed because the pilot, on his own, decided to inspect what nobody was suppose to look at.  Evertually they replace that Titan with a new 'last' one.  Then just kept adding dive numbers from previous craft to its last dive: 81.

In another incident, the CO2 absorber, designed by the owner from plastic tupperware from Walmart, was failing.  A few hundred feet down, the pilot demanded they return to the surface.  The owner refused to grant permission.  So the chief engineer stepped in and ordered it to the surface.  All employees listened to the chief engineer.  He did not last much longer.

Boeing was an early consultant on this design.  They withdrew because the owner intentionally refused to listen to their recommendations.  Stated they could not be responsible for a design that they could not recommend.  This was even before the Titan did its first dive.

The NTSB report intentionally does not list names of any chief engineer.  They note references such as the 'fifth' Director of engineering.  For what may be be obvious reasons.

In a dive just before 81, the submersible barge failed to go down at one end.  Since Oceangate was constantly hiring new people.  Current employees were not fully cognizant of how valves worked.  Oceangate had no training programs (always symptoms of management using cost controls).  Resulting six foot waves (it should have never been launched with waves that high) broke the front end from the barge.  So the Titan was hard crashing onto the barge with each wave.  The owner (who was the pilot then) told the passenger that was normal.  Passengers forfeited their money; refused to go on a next dive.  Were quite blunt about how reckless the owner was.  This crashing may have caused the final cracks that caused its implosion.

However, data from microphones indicates failures were constantly occurring with each dive.

The company claimed to have a VP of Safety.  However, not one employee could name anyone who held that position.

Examination of the hull indicated numerous air pockets between carbon fiber layers.  Those would compress and expand.  Increasing separation between the various layers of carbon fibers.  that may be some of the cracking and failures that were recorded by seven of eight microphones on every dive.  The eighth microphone and strain gauge was never operational.  No attempt was made to fix it.

These are only some of the damning facts that said how irresponsible the owner of OceanGate was.  And BTW, the NTSB report suggests all decisions were based only in money.   Classic of what an MBA type would do.

Demonstrated is why reports must include paragraphs or pages of numeric details.  Otherwise what the report says is akin to a myth or hearsay.  Perspective must always exist in reasons why.

Last edited by tw (10/16/2025 6:37 pm)

 

10/16/2025 6:46 pm  #3


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What was the name of the boat?
What is the Pakistani connection?

That was not under the jurisdiction of the NTSB.  Which Trump is downsizing so that more tax cuts can be given to the rich.  Including the NTSB vice chair Alvin Brown in May 2025.
Since threats to human life automatically mean victims are guilty.

Same reasoning justified the deaths of 100 plus victims of the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire near Cincinnati.
 

The KY governor's report blamed over 100 dead people for not getting out fast enough. Did not blame the construction company management who created that fire.  Another example of how extremists rationalize.

More examples of why details must always be provided - the reasons why.

 

Last edited by tw (10/16/2025 6:49 pm)

 

10/16/2025 6:47 pm  #4


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TW: Miss the point much?

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10/17/2025 10:38 am  #5


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Two obvious point made; and ignored.  First is how much must be done to know something.  And why that Oceangate summary, posted in so many less responsible new sources, does not include what must exist to be informative.  The reasons why.  You ignored that requirement.

Second.  Noted is why nobody cares about those refugees.  They are not in the domain of what Americans expect from their responsible "powers that be".   America has no jurisdiction.   Who does the analysis of that sinking boat?  Nobody.  Therefore what happened does not matter.  No useful facts are provided.

Apparently you completely missed both points. 

Reporting of that incident was minimal ..

It is suppose to be.  They do not have an NTSB. Worse, many news sources are now so pathetic (ie social media)  as to not even bother reporting on what was significant in an Oceangate incident.  Why then should anyone even mention a boatload of refugees?  We do not even report what is relevant for Oceangate.

You completely missed the point.

And a third point. We are now less and less concerned with victims when they are not right wing extremist supporters.  We are slowly returning to a 'blame the victim' mentality.  Due to an attitude of our leaders (ie even blame Ukraine for their predicament).  Furthermore, people, in increasing numbers, cannot read (learn) anything longer than a tweet.  What demonstrated this trend?  Saddam's WMDs.  That clearly did not exist if one read facts.  Many could not bother to first learn facts.

Why then would anyone care about 700 refugees in a sinking boat?  You completely missed the point - what has and is changing.
 

 

10/19/2025 11:35 am  #6


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It took days for the media to discover the name of the boat and about as long to forget it: Adriana

Two of the five adventurers who died on the Titanic exploration were Pakistani.

Pakistanis on the Adriana were not allowed on deck, confined to the hold, but comprised perhaps half the 700 passengers. Only 12 survived. 
They were just refugees.

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10/19/2025 1:23 pm  #7


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Nobody in North America was called to rescue 700 refugees.  No North American rescue organizations were dispatched.  No North American investigators have jurisdiction.

Does not matter who was on the Titan.  It was an American operation (out of Pittsburgh as a recall).  Numerous North American search and rescue organizations were called.  The investigation came under jurisdiction of the US Coast Guard. So it justifies massive domestic attention.

We also do not care that almost 2 million Palestinians are being ethnic cleansed.  Same reasoning.  Or the massacres in Sudan.  But some people are at risk in the Red Sea.  Plenty of attention since it involves American and numerous American allies from both Europe and Asia.

Perspective.

What makes Titan even more intereting.  It demonstrates why failures happen when a business school attitude replaces honest and responsible thinking.

Last edited by tw (10/19/2025 1:25 pm)

 

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