The Cellar / How are we feeling about project 2025?

**Posted by footfootfoot** 7/06/2024 10:29 pm

Heard one sap think it was a conspiracy theory. <-- yet more evidence to suggest we are pretty fucked as a country.
/s Like we need more evidence.

**Posted by xoxoxoBruce** 7/06/2024 11:04 pm

WaPo today said tRump is trying to distance himself from project 25.
That makes sense because a written down plan people are familiar with is not his style.
He would rather shoot from the hip with whatever lie comes to mind that will fit his rant of the moment.
A written plan means people will expect him to do what it says whether it benefits him personally or not.
That's a big no-no in Donnie's play book.

**Posted by griff** 7/07/2024 6:10 am

The best thing about Fat Donnie's administration was that he had no idea how government worked. Now he has foot soldiers who know exactly how to attack it and a corrupted Scotus. He's distancing himself because the polling on pro25 is horrific and it isn't his style to defend anything that isn't helpful to his personal interests. I saw a press release from the Heritage Foundation pretending to distance themselves from Orban. They are just now realizing their right wing fantasy isn't nearly as popular outside their bubble.

**Posted by Dude111** 7/07/2024 3:49 pm

Thats what aliot are thinking......

**Posted by griff** 7/08/2024 6:11 am

Heather Cox Richardson quoted extensively from Lincoln this morning. It strikes me that we're in a similar position today. The vast majority oppose the ideas of Project 2025 even while having broad differences on other policies.

In 1854, Lincoln answered Douglas: “Our Senator…objects that those who oppose him in this measure do not entirely agree with one another…. [H]e…says it is not quite fair to oppose him in this variety of ways. He should remember that he took us by surprise—astounded us—by this measure. We were thunderstruck and stunned; and we reeled and fell in utter confusion. But we rose each fighting, grasping whatever he could first reach—a scythe—a pitchfork—a chopping axe, or a butcher's cleaver. We struck in the direction of the sound; and we are rapidly closing in upon him. He must not think to divert us from our purpose, by showing us that our drill, our dress, and our weapons, are not entirely perfect and uniform. When the storm shall be past, he shall find us still Americans; no less devoted to the continued Union and prosperity of the country than heretofore.”

**Posted by griff** 7/09/2024 6:39 am

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-16.pdf
Chapter 16 of Project 2025 is about the destruction of Federal Lands.

EDIT: format doesn't allow cut and paste

Alaska less than a sovereign state? I guess we really are going pre-Civil War here. The authors continue to pretend that the US isn't the largest oil producer on the planet in the age of climate change.

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**Posted by fargon** 7/09/2024 9:11 am

I'm frightened of the future.

**Posted by glatt** 7/09/2024 10:01 am

Wary. I'm wary.

I think Project 2025 may be the best thing to happen for Dems this election. It's mud on the wall that's doing a good job of sticking.

The corrupt Supreme Court may be the second best thing to happen to Dems.

**Posted by Diaphone Jim** 7/09/2024 12:48 pm

That document is hard to read even parts of and impossible to read it all.
It is immediately obvious that it was not written by sane men and women.
They will implement it if we let them. We must not.

**Posted by Flint** 7/09/2024 1:29 pm

fargon wrote:
I'm frightened of the future.

It's palpable. We can rationalize it away as "social media is driving engagement by emphasizing existential dread" but at the bottom of it, unless they're literally making things up, there are objectively some worrying things happening in the world. The saddest part is, history is just returning to an equilibrium-- the homeostasic relationship between a parasitic ruling class and the disempowered remainder of humanity. The only advantageous position in this scenario is to be any variety of grifter that rides on the coattails of the billionaires, hoping for some special consideration or conditional human dignity.

The fictional culture war is a real weapon in the class struggle. The billionaires are whispering "beware of the elites!" into the goddamned stupid ears of people distracted by the true fact that we shouldn't trust institutions to protect the rights of individuals. The billionaires, the literal Disney villains that are literally the arbiters of the institutions that control people are seducing the people they are controlling with a power fantasy about taking back control. It's the dumbest timeline. We're ƒucking doomed.

It's too meta to be parsed by a group decision making method. We all know it, but a group of us can't react to it. Paralysis by analysis.

**Posted by glatt** 7/10/2024 7:37 am

There are snipers set up on the roof across from my building right now. Humvees parked in front of my building.

Are they protecting me, or the institutions and billionaires?

**Posted by griff** 7/10/2024 4:41 pm

glatt wrote:
There are snipers set up on the roof across from my building right now. Humvees parked in front of my building.

Are they protecting me, or the institutions and billionaires?

😓

**Posted by griff** 7/11/2024 6:41 am

https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-ex-trump-contributors-republicans-election-1922933
Toxic website with list of Trump administration people involved in Project 2025.

**Posted by glatt** 7/11/2024 3:45 pm

Actually, at the end of my workday yesterday, those 3 snipers were still up there. I'm working from home today, maybe they are still there. I felt really bad for them.

Crazy thing is, they are dressed in all-black tactical clothing. Long pants. Long sleeves. I think they even had black caps on. It's like 120 degrees on that roof, with no shade. They need to have different uniforms if they are going to be sitting on rooftops. Maybe it's all for theater and black stands out better, but those rifles looked real from a distance, so I don't think they were just for show. They would be just as effective, maybe more so, if they were wearing white with sun hats.

**Posted by griff** 7/11/2024 4:46 pm

That does sound like theater. Brutal posting anyway.

**Posted by footfootfoot** 7/13/2024 6:25 pm

What are the snipers covering? Aiming at? Whatever you call it.

**Posted by tw** 7/13/2024 9:35 pm

Ears? Or those who might shoot at them.

**Posted by tw** 7/14/2024 11:49 am

And so again we have proven why everyone needs an AR15 assault rifle. To shoot many times so that one might eventually hit an ear. We also have the right to own and now need 155 mm howitzer. Also essential for our protection - from ears.

**Posted by tw** 7/14/2024 4:56 pm

I hEAR you.

**Posted by XAgent** 7/17/2024 8:26 pm

How do I feel?

Pretty darn concerned. They don’t even try to hide it.

**Posted by griff** 7/22/2024 6:12 am

They have spent so much time in their information silo that they think the opposition will only come from the far left. They are badly mistaken.

**Posted by tw** 7/22/2024 11:54 am

According to extremists, anyone who is a moderate must be a lefty liberal. Insults (not facts) always manipulate extremists. Since their prefrontal cortex is not engaged. Logical reasoning does not happen. As it did so successfully in 1930 Germany.

Sinclair broadcasting is now requiring reporters to read, word for word, disinformation written in corporate headquarters. Since no law says anything in the local TV news must be honest. That is 185 TV stations in America - legally broadcasting lies. Joseph Goebbels all over again.

One who does not learn lessons from history (reads tweets) is doomed to repeat it.

And, or course, 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management.

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