These vaccines using a mrna based method because they can be developed in a fraction of the time, have proven to be a giant cash stream for Big Pharma.
They can and have done a great job in taking some pressure off hospitals but it's like having a life preserver you have to keep blowing up. 
The good news is the US Army has been working on a vaccine the old fashion way to create a vaccine that provides immunity to all the SARS viruses including Covid.
The preliminary trials look good and they are just starting the full scales trials. We could see a real immunization vaccine in another year. Of course true to form the vaccine developed by the Army on your tax dime will be handed over to one or more drug.companies to make and sell back to us.
Also, like every vaccine it will work as desired for 99% of the people but as always there will be exceptions for Qanon and FOX to distort with their bullshit.
But if we have a genuine permanent protection juice and people refuse it, fuck 'em, let 'em die, makes social security stronger.

I would guess it's nothing personal. The pandemic hit all of our radars packaged with a blast of popular theories, e.g. it doesn't exist, it's a Chinese bio-weapon, it's just like the regular flu, the lizard people are using bamboo counterfeit ballots to elect a clone of Joe Biden so that Bill Gates can implant tracking microchips in Americans via an autism-causing vaccine to treat a Chinese bio-weapon that doesn't exist. There's been a horrible signal-to-noise ratio on this whole thing, and we're all so very tired and stressed out, we just want people to wear the damn masks and get vaccinated since that seems to be what we're supposed to be doing. And if it's not, if that's wrong then at least we tried our best and eventually science will correct it's course, but that's not going to be because Joe Rogan.

I'd guess we call it horse de-wormer because it's an antiparasitic drug, and it seems like that would work completely different than an antiviral drug.

Also for the comedy value. Reality has started to produce more outrageous material than even our best satirical comedians can come up with, and I guess we'd rather laugh than cry about how anti-science sentiment has grown from harmless flat-earthy nonsense to the president musing out loud about whether we should spray Formula 409 down into out lungs "almost like a cleaning"
 

Undertoad wrote:

But it's been proven to have an antiviral effect.
 

Only on extremist web sites.  Since you are making claims not based in science  or logic (justified only by emotions), then those claims are banned where a snippet of honesty must exist.

Amazing how any drug, with an anti-viral effect, also cured AIDS.  We don't need no stink'n doctors.  We have extremism to order us what to know.

 

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UT, I'm grateful that you are sharing your perspective here.  I'm not doing my own homework, and I appreciate it that you are doing yours and giving caveats on the reliability of the information you do provide.  I've been on team mask and vaccine all along, but there have been enough times when I have seen little bits of bad information put out there that I take most stuff with a grain of salt.

I've been saying to the people around me since the beginning of this thing that I am so glad that I am not a decisionmaker, because the correct path is not at all clear.

Sorry if I'm prickly. The guardian of one of my more involved kids is struggling with the virus right now. The guardian has a bunch of preexisting conditions including continuous Fox viewership. Nonetheless a likable solid person taking care of an at risk child. I recognize there is a difference between what you are doing and the "do your own research" folks who are definitely not. You've stuck with the science. I'm embarrassed to realize I feel like pushing back on news I've been expecting and waiting for.
 

Well, thanks again.

Undertoad wrote:

the Fox people are, shall we say, less misinformed about some aspects of this 
 

Purpose of Fox News was clearly stated when created.  To make sure what happened to Nixon did not happen again.  In short, to tell right wing extremists what to believe.

Proving that Saddam had WMDs.  Proving that people in the SuperDome and Convention center in New Orleans had plenty of water and food for three days.  An aircraft carrier tried to send food and doctors up the Mississippi River to provide assistance, were ordered back, and never reported by Fox News.  Because according to Fox, Brownie was doing a great job.

Trump could lie repeatedly and not be called out for his lies on Fox.  So he only went on Fox.  Purpose of Fox News is to find the exception (ie that Israeli study) and report only it.  Forgetting to mention that it was never peer reviewed and that no responsible source confirmed those conclusions.

Fox praised Nazis, White Supremacists, and KKK marchers in Charlottesville.  Clearly they were good people.  Fox told us.

You know Fox is honest.  While most other sources (that hold their reporters to confirm stories) are saying something different.  Proving only Fox News is honest.   And mainstream media always lies.  UT said so.  It must be true.

Just like Pravda, its purpose is to brainwash the most naive.  Even disparages the bourgeois and intelligentsia who know vaccines are essential.  To empower the central committee of right pundits.

After all, Nixon was a great man according to a founding purpose of Fox News.  And rioters on 6 Jan were all peaceful patriots.  Fox said so.  UT agrees.  It must be true.
 

Fox News cited an only source that proved not being vaccinated  and getting Covid infected was 13 times safer than getting a vaccine.  It must be true.  UT said so.

In Brazil, where few are vaccinated, their death rate is 300 per 100,000.  Only in the Balkans (where vaccinations are also rare) are death numbers higher.  As high as 427 per 100,000.

Meanwhile, in Australia, where most everyone has two doses, their death rate is 17 per 100,000.  Notice why UT does not cite numbers.  In Norway, where a percentage of vaccinated is also quite high, their number is 27 per 100,000.

Numbers say "not being vaccinated" means one is ten times more likely to die - from a virus that, according to Fox,  is no different than any other flu.  It must be true. 

UT told us that not being vaccinated is 13 times safer.  Fox News cited the rare study that proves it.  Saddam again has WMDs.

According to UT, subjective and bogus claims from Fox News, invented to promote a right wing extremist agenda, are honest.  All other sources lie.  Because Saddam really did have WMDs.

Insulting others with Fox News and Trump lies is demeaning.  And is what has changed in UT from what he was more than 20 years ago.  Brainwashed.  He even said the CDC lies.  Fox said so.  It must be true.
 

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Undertoad wrote:

i've made about 100 posts about Omicron on another forum for the last three months

y'all always give me such a load of shit that it wasn't worth posting it here

Maybe we're just not the audience you're being paid to gain and we prefer you keep it real here.

Undertoad wrote:

posting facts people don't like is literally keeping it real
 

An honest person does not routinely ignore facts with numbers that expose the one (only) recommendation from news sources that routinely lie.  By now you should have learned that Fox News was never an honest news source.  From events 20 years ago - and so many other lies promoted by Fox - including the Big Lie.

Last edited by tw (2/09/2022 10:44 am)

and always be sure to edit your posts for "fuckers"

I well know Ivermectin has a slight anti-viral effect. We both know it is ineffective in this case.
 

Flint wrote:

it's like they always say, "carry a laser down the road that I must travel"

That was funneh.