tw wrote:

Anon wrote:

Now Guantanamo is used to deport undesirable illegal aliens.

Somebody, …them.

The election is over. You lost. Adults who act like children blame others.
 

Sorry it went down like this
But someone had to lose
It’s the politics you can’t withstand
It’s the moderates’ blues
Moderates’ blues.

Cast into the dark
And you’re to blame
You give moderates
A bad name.



 

The ‘60s Army lost their war too. Seems to have become habit forming.

The majority of Americans got fed up with losing.

America has spoken.

His Highness has also voted in the UN with contempt for Ukraine.  Voting as Putin would order him.
From the BBC: "US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity."

The problem was obvious when Zelensky spoke before Congress.  Most congressmen often stood up and applauded.  Right wing extremists in Congress demonstrated hate for American principles.  They often sat on their hands.  Contempt for American friends and allies.
 

Shades of Neville Chamberlain.

Diaphone Jim wrote:

Name one thing he has gotten right in his entire life.

He has done exactly what is taught in business schools.  Enrich the central committee of the communist party.

Now more than 50% of America is owned by less than 1%.  What will all these firing do?  He is now proposing more tax cuts for corporations and the 1%.  The 1% now pay something less than 10% in taxes.  Many corporations, such as GE, now pay no taxes.  So we need more tax cuts.

It is what we voted for.  He is only doing what he always said he would do.
 

Last edited by tw (2/27/2025 2:15 pm)

Trump and Vance ATTACK Zelenskyy in Oval Office and Align U.S. with PUTIN

 

I tend to keep in mind that before the most recent invasion of Ukraine, that country was considered unsuitable for inclusion in NATO and the EU. Disqualifiers included financial corruption and a lackadaisical position on human rights. When Russia invaded, Ukraine became an opportunity for diminishing Russian war-making capability by bleeding off its military human resources and hardware. The Allies gave Ukraine just enough to maintain the status quo until Russia was depleted enough to be open to negotiation. After that, the US has no further use for Ukraine and it reverts back to pre-war status.

OTOH, European countries still want Ukraine as a buffer zone between them and Russia. The price of maintaining the status quo there indefinitely is too costly for them without US support. Europe would have to provide a one-time grant of sufficient deterrence which would mean giving Ukraine nuclear arms of some measure.

The prognosis for Ukraine is no better than it was before the latest Russian invasion. Ukrainians own most of their situation. Whether through negotiations or escalating countermeasures, Ukraine will be positioned as expendable either in part or in whole. Zelenskyy and Europeans seem willing to go for broke. They may very well prove to be overly optimistic. The US wants to avoid sustaining another losing war.

OTOH, European countries still want Ukraine as a buffer zone between them and Russia.

Again, lessons from history are ignored.  When a despot attacks smaller nations and the 'powers that be' ignore it, then World War is inevitable.  So many still have a Neville Chamberlain mentarity.  Well, we will make a deal and war will be averted.  Bullshit big time.  Only the dumbest humans believe those lies.

A despot will not stop once his domination, theft and murderous ways are appeased.  Trump is doing classic appeasement.   One need only learn lessons from Alexander the Great.  Or Hitler.

Zelensky asked for what must "ALWAYS" exist in any peace settlement.  Security guarantees.   He said that.  Only to be attacked by two right wing extremists.  Who accused him of being ungrateful.  Attacked him emotionally - not logically.  Lectured Zelensky in a demeaning and unceasing manner. Intelligent leaders discuss.  Despots lecture.

This mistake was made previously in Ukraine.  When it gave up nuclear weapons.  Without fundamental security assurances.   Putin is not signing any peace treaty with those guarantees.  A peace settlement is only time to rearm, retrain, and attack again.  Security guarantees would only get in the way of Putin's obvious agenda.  Anyone with minimal intelligence can see that agenda.

Putin knows Trump has no cards to play.  Trump is 100% about making Trump look good.   At the expense of Ukraine, NATO, and America.  He does not care that he is inviting another World War.   He does not care how much damage he does.  That was his many decades of history.  He even praised Al Capone and Putin.

Even making enemies of America's closest allies.  And driving off all future allies even in Asia.  Message is clear.  American can no longer be trusted.  Every country in SE Asia has now shifted to becoming friendlier with China.

Trump gave Putin some major concessions without getting anything in return (except six American prisoners).  So that only Trump looks good to the least educated American citizens - his most powerful supporters.

Trump is throwing Ukraine under the bus.  Exactly as he threw Afghanistan under the bus. But that means duped  Americans must remember recent history.  It was more than three months ago.  So the least informed and strongest Putin supporters intentionally forget that reality.

Trump threw Afghanistan under the bus so that he could look good.  Trump surrendered to the Taliban.  Afghanistan government  was not even allowed at a table where they was backstabbed.

Like Ukraine, Trump never even considered security guarantees for Afghanistan.  He knows how to promote himself while screwing everyone else. 

Zelensky insisted upon security guarantees.  As any responsible and intelligent leader would do.   Instead was attacked and denigrated. Trump, being a despotic child (a bully), will now take revenge on Ukraine.  That is what he has done his entire life.  Use people until he decides to insult them.

Trump knows his supported have no idea how the world works.  Are impressed by his 'big penis' demeanor. Putin knows exactly how to play Trump for a fool.  As so massively obvious in Helsinki in 2018.  And obvious only to those who remember what happened more than three months ago.  Trump duped by Putin was obvious.  Just recently.  And that long ago.

Putin got the American president that he wanted.  Some even in the Cellar approve of Putin's choice for American president.

Ukraine was a first nation to obstruct Putin's conquests.  Previous conquests include Chechnya, the various K-stands, and Georgia.  Next in line looks like Lithuania.  No problem.  Trump is openly advocating the destruction of NATO.  Since that is what Putin needs.  Only those with minimal intelligence would not see the future.

But then Trump is so dumb as to convert a country, that was trying to restore good relations with America, into an enemy.  Deja Vue Vietnam.  America did the exact same thing in the 1960s.   Trump did same to iran.  Those, whose only knowledge comes from a bombastic president, ignore history.  And how it will repeat.

All those intentionally cut fiber optic cables are no accident.  Putin's future plans (and what he needs Trump to do) are painfully obvious to anyone with minimal intelligence.  If not stopped in Ukraine, WWIII is inevitable.  With Trump even driving Iran into becoming Putin supporters.  Even Africa now sees that American is not a reliable or trusted ally.  Most of African is now shifting to become China supporters.

Obvious to anyone who thinks logically; not using penis logic. Impressed by a bully.

This reality is too long.  Makes many obvious points.  Means one must learn how easily they can be manipulated.  So Trump supporters cannot read it.  Myths and lies are easier to understand.  History is wasted time.  Classic Trump logic.
 

tw wrote:

…Zelensky asked for what must "ALWAYS" exist in any peace settlement.  Security guarantees.   He said that. …

There are no guarantees in life. Security guarantees are a figment of people’s imaginations.
 

Anon wrote:

There are no guarantees in life. Security guarantees are a figment of people’s imaginations.
 

Are you that brainwashed by Vance? 

Best security guarantee is obvious: NATO membership.  So you have lied.  Other security guarantees also exist.  You knew that.  Only an extreme right wing extremists would post lies to protect corrupt extremist.

Trump's entire life has been to screw others only to advance and enrich himself.  Apparently you have as much contempt for America as he has.  So you also praise Al Capone?  And brag how you never pay taxes?

tw wrote:

…Best security guarantee is obvious: NATO membership.  So you have lied.  Other security guarantees also exist….

The fantasies of a demented old man. Guarantees do not exist, only agreements that can be reneged on by choice or circumstances.

NATO membership is not on the table.

Ukraine cannot join NATO while at war, Scholz says




 

Putin smiles.