Arctic Metagaz was last reported coming from S coast of China to a port in Egypt.  Was (three days ago) north of Malta.   It may have diverted to Libya to take on LNG.  Which explains why it would turn off its AIS three days ago.  Putting it just leaving Libya with a full LNG load; destination unknown.

Who was torpedoing ships previously without a declaration of war?  Nazi Germany.  Do we learn from history?  For example, an American destroyer (USS Reuben James) was sunk by a German U-boat in Oct 1941.  Same submarine also sunk the American freighter SS Pink Star.

What makes that any different from what Trump ordered?

Here’s an OP related comment.

Diaphone Jim wrote:

… but I think the captain of the sub should be ashamed of, and possibly punished for, NOT refusing to follow an illegal order.

The Associated Press reports a consensus that the action was not illegal under either international or American military law:

The US attack on an Iranian warship did not violate international law, experts say

The article states the reasons why.




 

Those professors are explaining why neither the US nor the UN are determining it was illegal.

You can call it whatever you want.

Anon wrote:

Those professors are explaining why neither the US nor the UN are determining it was illegal.

But that is not what Anon posted.

The Associated Press reports a consensus that the action was not illegal under either international or American military law:

  Only two people believe it is legal.  AP said nothing about a consensus.  Anon intentionally misrepresents what the AP says.

Now if constructive, then he said how military attacks on something that is not a threat, and without a declaration of war, is somehow legal.

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Always amazing how extremists only see what they want to see.  Due to the lies of Vietnam (and 50,000 useless American deaths for the greater glory of an extremists President), US law provided only 150 days of military action.  Which is not war.   Korean was authorized by the UN.  As was the rescue to Kuwait.  And screwed up actions in Somalia.  In every case, an American military response (ie Panama) was only limited to threats to America.  Not to all military and civilian targets.

Unconditional surrender means Trump has declared total war on Iran.  Without any legal justification. Two people (not the AP) think that (and Guantanamo) are righteous and legal?  A lesson from history where a democracy slowly becomes a dictatorship.   Ask if we need a King or despot.  Who loves dictatorships?  Extremists.

Gaddafi in Libya was attacked only after he attacked (and further threatened) Americans and American allies.  That also was only a one day action.  Limited only to a tiny part of Libya that was a threat.  American did not attack every military asset in Libya.  Or in Somalia.  Or in Iraq (the action that was legal and intentionally limited).  Even actions in Afghanistan were limited to that part that was a threat to America -  bin Laden and the Taliban.  Did not attack any other military asset in Afghanistan.

And (ironically) American troops in Afghanistan were assisted by iran's best troops - Quds force.

Congress (the gang of 8) was always informed of every limited action.  Limited only to the threat and in time.

What did Trump try to do in his first term?  We were only ten minutes away from an unjustified and illegal attack on Iran.  Fortunately, the many serious Trump people managed to stop it before Trump created a crime.  But then an extremist forgets to learn all this.  Just knows that any Iranian is a justified target because no war was declared by Congress.

Same respect for law also says why Guantanamo and secret CIA prisons all over the world were good and righteous.  Because wacko right wing extremism is always ethical.  

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice", said another right wing wacko who loved wasting 50,000 Americans in Vietnam for no purpose.  Anon again demonstrates contempt for fundamental American values.  Even totally misrepresents the AP to justify a lie.

Declaration of war is a red herring.

More contempt for American principles and the Constitution.

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Anon wrote:

Those professors are explaining why neither the US nor the UN are determining it was illegal.

You can call it whatever you want.

I did. I called it murder, just the same of the hundreds of people blown up in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean.

What do you call it?
 

one who posts .. same thing over and over again

  ... does so because extremists cannot learn.  Only emotions justify lies such as Saddam's WMDs.  And the righteous terrorists on 6 January.  Because the Central Committee of the Party  orders extremists how to think.  Realty reposted because it does not change.

Extremists still promote hate.  It justified their myths.  Even justifies Guantanamo because penis based logic says torture is good.    Only thing that cannot change is a mindset that refuses to learn from reality.

One with a biggest gun must be unimpeachable when he advocated the massacre of innocent people in Gaza and Iran.  After all, the supreme leader said he would not get America into endless wars.  He unilaterally and without justification has now attacked seven nations in one year.  While helping Putin attack Ukraine by withholding American support of Ukraine.  Since Trump praises Putin while publicly denying what all 17 American intelligence agencies all report.

So his extremist supporters also say that is good.

Wacko extremist always know they are righteous when given big guns.  Only extremists always approve of all bogus and unnecessary violence - including Vietnam.  And Saddam's mythical weapons of mass destruction.  Repeated but again when extremists in the Cellar deny reality.

Being an anti-American and denying facts has not changed.  Extremists are only ordered what to believe.    Even Gaza is just another concentration camp that only extremists approve of. Rather than learn, extremist complain that reality was repeated.
 

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Your posted disinformation.  Subverted the topic.  Posting:

The Associated Press reports a consensus that the action was not illegal

AP did not post a consensus.  Only two lawyers suggested it was legal; without any reasons why.   What follows are reasons why that you ignore and deny.  Without even one fact.  Then posted a half truth that ignored  more facts:

The US hasn’t declared war since WWII yet has been involved in numerous military actions that US laws provide for without a formal declaration of war. 

Intentionally ignoring many facts include a required notification of Congress, a 150 day requirement, and other facts.  Legal only to attack an isolated threat.  Not the entire nation.  War is illegal when attacking the entire nation without a declaration of war.  Even demands for unconditional surrender without a Congressional declaration of war is a Constitutional violation.

What war was unjustified?  The Mission Accomplished war, that was invented by lies, by extremists.  Extremists in the Cellar then intentionally ignored reams of facts that expose that was as a lie. That even proved with numbers that the mythical WMDs could not exist. But that meant learning facts; ignoring emotions.

Another completely illegal war that proves the US can again become a despot nation.  When the president is not a moderate.  And is righteous only because he has big guns.

Unconditional surrender means this president has declared war on the entire nation of Iran.  Violating the Constitution - which he also demonstrated contempt for.  Except when it is convenient.

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice

That is the topic.

You subverted the topic with gross disinformation.  Do not once contribute a fact to justify your disinformation.

Is this unconstitutional  war and a submarine attack justified?  Then post facts that legitimize your denials.  Discuss the topic.  How is an attack to only cause regime change also justify attcks on everyone else?  Including a ship on the far side of India?  Contribute something honest.  Not bogus WWII myths.

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And again, Anon demonstrates lies that also justified the Mission Accomplished war.  He pretends the killing of Iranian sailors, far off on the other side of India, is somehow unrelated to what was only suppose to be regime change.  That ship, far off on the other side of India, had zero relevance to regime change or the Iranian  Ayatollah.  So it is an illegal act.  Congress never declared war.

But again, NEVER make the exact same mistake that massacred 5,000 American servicemen in Iraq.  This is not regime change.  This is all out war on the entire nation of Iran.  Including an 'Unconditional' surrender.  A war that exists only for the ego of extremists - Trump and Anon included.

America is violating everything necessary for victory.  First a smoking gun must exist.  There is none.  So the invented atomic bomb infive days (which is impossible) is a fictitious excuse.  No different than Saddam's mythical WMDs.

Second, a strategic objective must exist.  None stated.  The so called 'regime change' never happens using a Gaza style massacre of innocent people.   80% of the people in Iraq wanted Saddam gone.  80% of Iranians wanted the Ayatollah gone.  We are making the same mistake in Iran.

And third, there must be an exit strategy.  None exists.  And could not exist.  Because extremists see violence as a solution.  Including the sinking of an Iranian ship on the other side of India.

Never make the mistake that Anon makes.  Now he plays the "I am a victim" card. Pretending all those damning facts do not exist and are irrelevant.  Forgetting the topic is what this Tragedy indicates.  Hegseth is using same reasoning and rhetoric that Rumsfeld used to massacre 5,000 Americans in Iraq.

Sinking of that Iranian ship clearly demonstrates that American has declared all out war on everyone in Iran. Complete with unconditional surrender.   Is now spending about $2 billion a day.  For the greater glory of Trump.  A movie was called "Wag the Dog".  Done for this same purpose.  But this actual war on everyone in Iran is not fictitious.  Right wing extremists, just like in the Mission Accomplished war, see all this as good.  Including the sinking of that ship.

Since Anon cannot learn (read) those damning facts, instead, he proclaims himself a victim.  Rather thant learn he loves what is a clearly an illegal war.  Using the same mistakes found in both Misson Accomplished and an American surrender in Afghanistan.
 

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Diaphone Jim wrote:

Anon wrote:

Those professors are explaining why neither the US nor the UN are determining it was illegal.

You can call it whatever you want.

I did. I called it murder, just the same of the hundreds of people blown up in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean.

What do you call it?
 

 
I agree. I just finished Das Boot which unfortunately is pretty explanatory of rogue regimes.

I saw some complaints that Voice of America isn’t able to broadcast effectively into Iran. Explaining to Iranians why we just blew up the old religious extremist terrorist in favor of a younger religious extremist terrorist while bolstering hatred of America by murdering school girls is likely difficult now that America has no values beyond greed, cruelty, and supporting pedophilia. Maybe Great Satan isn’t so far off the mark.

griff wrote:

  I saw some complaints that Voice of America isn’t able to broadcast effectively into Iran. Explaining to Iranians why we j...murdering school girls is likely difficult now that America has no values beyond greed, cruelty, and supporting pedophilia.

The Defense Department once had a large staff that review such attacks.  To verify it does not kill innocent people.  That office was removed by Trump and Doge to remove unnecessary waste by the Democrats.

Voice of America (Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia, etc)  was also dismantled for the same reasons by same Trump people.

Same Trump people are now spending $2billion a day in Iran.  Attacking everyone who has no relationship to regime change.  Extremists (people with less intelligence) say this is all good.
 

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